Category talk:Rebels

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The distinction made in the introduction, in my opinion, is wrong. A revolutionary is a person who is engaged in a political or social revolution, that is the transformation of society by the masses (the people) examples of revolutions are: The French Revolution and the Russian Revolution. A rebel is a person who is engaged in a rebellion that does not entail the changing of society by the masses, but by a part of the masses (e.g. an oppressed minority). To say that a revolutionary is a successful rebel is total nonsense, in my opinion. I think the introduction to this category should be changed.

I just changed it. Feel free to alter it for accuracy. - — Banyan Tree 22:59, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Your definition makes a lot more sense, and I'll stick to that. But, let me please say that my idea isn't complete nonsense... Were Washington, Jefferson, and Adams not rebelling against the English throne? There would have been no revolution had they not been successful. Had the English won, they would have said they had suppressed a rebellion, not a revolution. It may not seem nice, you might not like it, but history is written by the victors, to some extent, and this is reflected in the terminology...

LordAmeth 03:30, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

First, let me make clear that I did not make the initial comment above. I've always seen revolutionary as a subset of rebel, in that rebels are against authority, while revolutionaries are against authority and want to replace that authority with a completely new system. I have noticed though that there has been a slow motion edit war at rebellion where people remove the American revolutionaries from the list. So your point is well taken. - — Banyan Tree 04:27, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I am the one who made the first comments, I did not intend to offend only to emphasis the point. I am very happy with the result, thanks. --130.161.31.18 18:38, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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To add once articles are written: Somatau (or Somadau), Julien Fédon, Anastasio Aquino, Macario Sakay (individual article instead of redirect), Monja Jaona, Pierre Anga, Ruben Um Nyobé, Félix Moumié, Bernard Kolélas, Pierre Mulele, Christophe Gbenye, Gaston Soumialot, Bildad Kaggia, Diamacoune Senghor, John Okello, Nicolau dos Reis Lobato, Chris Soumokil, Johannes Alvarez Manusama, Seth Rumkorem, Thomas Kanza —Sesel 05:27, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]