Talk:Ice Climber

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May 11, 2009	WikiProject peer review	Reviewed

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release

Im not sure about the date of the release, it says 1985 here, but i found a video that says 1984, it may be the vs game, what do i know. http://youtube.com/watch?v=MKEXN9NxMBA

~That is the NES version of Ice Climber however the '84 date is a marking for when the game was developed, not released. ~Blackbox77~

It was released in Japan in 1984, and America in 1985. Most old NES copyrights were based on the Japanese release. (Fryguy64 (talk) 14:57, 11 January 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Freezie?

The Freezie article states that the item has no connection to the Ice Climber series. Which is mistaken? MIT Trekkie 05:17, Dec 19, 2004 (UTC)

On Super Smash Bros. Melee the Freezie trophy is listed as first appearing in Mario Bros. Arcade. So the only link with Ice Climbers would be that the weapon is made of ice. (user:Falcolombardi87)

Relationship?

Is it ever stated what the relationship between Nana and Popo is? Brother and sister? Friends? Rivals? Enemies? Husband and wife?

It used to be stated here that they weren't siblings. I don't know why it was removed(perhaps no source). I liked that bit of info on the page since its something that is greatly questioned.

The general consensus among enthusiastic Ice Climbers players in Super Smash Bros. Melee is that they are "less than lovers, but more than friends." Interpret as you will. Either way, the intro video depicts a heart over their heads as they celebrate parka pwnage with a high five.

-- Randall00 ^Talk 17:32, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I really recall an interview where Sakurai (I believe) reflects on his decision on the Ice Cimbers' relationship in SSBM, that they were lovers... Anyone know what I'm talking about? 208.101.156.13 17:11, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merging

I tried to merge this before, but was reverted in edit war --Larsinio 14:56, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Brawl?

Will they be in Super Smash Bros. Brawl?

It hasn't been announced, but in the meantime, ignore stupid completely unsourced rumours of them being removed. By the way, I'm taking that part out of the article. We've been hearing it for over a month now and it has yet to be posted on the official site or confirmed by Nintendo.

From what little info, its been mentioned they won't be back. With pit representing the nes. Which was what popo and nana were doing in melee.

I'm sorry, I must have missed the announcement that there would only be one NES rep per game (which Pit really isn't, since Sakurai was looking more for arcade style games to rep in Melee judging by the rejected franchises he lists on his site). Do not add anything about them being in or not being in until it is official. 199.126.137.209 02:24, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is also factually incorrect. Popo and Nana were chosen to represent the early Famicom (before 1985), while Pit was a Famicom Disk System character like Samus. Pit has not officially unseated anybody. (Fryguy64 15:45, 26 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Well well. Looks like this issue is over now that they're confirmed. 75.153.231.20 07:04, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

'Climber' = 'Ice Climber'?

Does the Game & Watch game Climber really represent Ice Climber? From my limited knowledge, Climber involves a generic man (not an Eskimo) jumping up (not breaking through) brick (not ice) platforms. There isn't even a mallet to attack. The only loose connection seems to be birds and jumping.

I honestly don't know much else. It really doesn't seem like Climber was created to be Ice Climber for Game & Watch. That's like saying any vertically scrolling, jumping game about being a "climber" is based off the original Eskimo game. Another argument against it is that specific Mario and Zelda games were created for the G&W format. Climber does not have the same game design as Ice Climber IMO.

Does anyone know anything about this G&W game that does merit Climber being a part of the Ice Climber lineage? I can admit to being wrong.

It's probably safe to say that the inspiration may have been there, as the other two games in Climber's range were based on the Super Mario Bros. and Balloon Fight Famicom games. But there are no connections between the characters, enemies or even the gameplay styles. The only connection is they both feature people who climb things, and have the word "Climber" in the title. (Fryguy64 15:47, 26 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Climber is a generic version of Ice Climber, because the Game & Watch title pretty much resembles the NES title. Read the "G&W version's similarities segment" for a lot of things they have in common and for the differences between them. Parrothead1983 18:18, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, Climber does seem to be inspired by Ice Climber; due credit there. But if Ice Climber really has canon (NOW I feel like a dork), Climber is certainly not part of it. A hypothetical Nintendo game may draw on Mario games as a working inspiration, but if it has nothing to do with the Mario universe, it's not Mario. --Blackbox77 19:51, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So if Climber's plot doesn't have anything from Ice Climber's plot (e.g. Seals/Topis, Polar Bears, Condors, etc.), then that means Climber does not follow the Ice Climber series. Right? - Parrothead1983 21:56, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion, yes, that's correct. Any story or fictional universe Climber may follow or exist within does not appear in Ice Climber. For me it is an issue totally separate from gameplay. Lots of games may have similar gameplay but they shouldn't be grouped together on that issue alone. I wish User:A Link to the Past would get in on this discussion instead of changing the article when some disagrees with his opinion... --Blackbox77 17:33, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alright. I believe you. What I'm really saying is that Climber was inspired by Ice Climber. And did you know that the NES and arcade title, Urban Champion, was inspired by a Game & Watch title, Boxing? --Parrothead1983 18:49, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Who is Older?

Popo? Nana? Or are they twins?

It is never stated, so any answer given would be fan speculation. In the original game it isn't even stated what their relationship is. In Super Smash Bros. Melee their relationship is defined as being romantically involved (as said on the official SSBM page by Sakurai, and seen in the opening to the game). (Fryguy64 15:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Seal Slugger

It is widely circulated on the internet that Nintendo of America changed the Topis of the original Ice Climber from seals into yetis due to concerns of seal clubbing and animal cruelty. Where does this nugget of information come from? Has there ever been a statement by Nintendo that claims this or is it merely a rumor gone wild? I've searched far and wide for a source and have never found one. Anybody know the answer to this mystery? --Blackbox77 23:07, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Notability of Popo and Nana

Unlike many Nintendo characters, Popo and Nana have no Wikipedia article to call their own. Rightfully so because their character does not exist outside of a single game (excluding non-canonical stuff like Smash Bros). Because of this, if their is interesting or new relevant information regarding Popo and Nana that does not have a direct connection to the 1984 video game, it should not be limited from appearing in this article. In a roundabout way, it all owes its existence to Ice Climber. --Blackbox77 18:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Hi, I'm your GA reviewer. Funny, looks like someone didn't finish the GA nomination and put up the {{GAN|~~~~~}} template that you're supposed to use on this page. But this article was listed at WP:GAN anyway, so I'm going to take a look at it.

Unfortunately, I have to quick-fail this article, because it has "a complete lack of reliable sources" (see criterion 1 of the quick-fail criteria). It also looks like it might violate criterion 4, "being the subject of recent edit wars" with all the recent reverts. Now, granted some of that can be taken as vandalism.

You may be thinking "But there's 10 sources, how is there a complete lack of reliable sources?". Well, for starters, several sections are completely unsourced, most notably the Gameplay section. There needs to be sources for that section.

Also, I took a look into each of your sources, and here's what I turned up. I'll tell you what I think of every source in this convenient list:

1. Reliable, an IGN review by a qualified reviewer is a reliable source.
2. Not reliable. The site has no copyright information, nothing to indicate that it is reliable.
3. Reliable.
4. Not reliable. This site also has no copyright information or anything to indicate it is reliable. If you want evidence for the changes indicated in the section you cited by the reference, try borrowing the images and using them under a fair use rationale.
5. Not reliable, anyone can edit the page if they have an account.
6 through 10 are reliable, but they're not referencing much.

You guys are going to need to put in some decent work into this article's referencing. Because I quick-failed the article, it did not receive a full review. If you have questions or comments, feel free to contact me at my talk page, and if you think this review was unfair, you can take it to the guys at WP:GAR and they'll take another look. Thanks for your time. Red Phoenix (Talk) 14:01, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Animal Crossing

Ice Climber is one of the NES games playable on the orginal Animal Crossing, should this be added?Murkrow (talk) 17:35, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct - Ice Climber is found within Animal Crossing. :) In my view, I've always seen the "Releases" table displaying distinct times Nintendo has packaged and released the individual game for retail. Currently, the paragraph before this makes note that IC does indeed appear within Animal Crossing as well as Animal Forest. Hope that clears it up! --Blackbox77 (talk) 03:30, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Who keeps changing this page?

If you own the orignal game, have the manual, or even look up the instructions online, you know that the bonus item on EVERY fifth level gives you an extra life. Someone keeps putting in that only the corn does this. The current source is uncheckable. There were several sources placed on this page that listed the original instructions as a source. These have been taken down. Is this ignorance and arogance prevailing over fact in the world yet again? I changed it, but I'm sure someone will come in and screw with the page for their own self purpose yet again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tidusrules (talk • contribs) 14:59, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I missed the talk page discussion about this when I changed it. (It's so rare the talk page is used here!) And I definitely mean no personal offense by the point of contention. However, that being said, I will disagree with you. Full disclosure, I have the original game and the instruction manual. When I saw the article edited to say any fifth level gives an extra life, I replayed the game starting from the 32 mountain just to try out. I only gained that extra life from the corn. Also, the instruction manual very specifically says it is corn. To quote it verbatim, "Getting even one ear of corn (*image of corn here*) in the bonus round adds one man; however, note that the screen only shows up to 3 men." Let me know if you still disagree. As far as several sources placed here referring to the instruction manual, I'm not sure I know what happened. As I like sourcing info on this page, I can definitely say I wouldn't have taken down sources like that. I'd love to have sources like that back up. --Blackbox77 (talk) 00:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Presidential approval

According to fi.Wikipedia, some time in 1990s, President of Finland Mauno Koivisto was a fan of this game (which is entirely plausible, as this was a NES pack-in game for a while). Regrettably, the articles don't have any specific sources for this... apart of nebulous "Finnish tabloids in the 1990s" and some editor in the talk page mentions that the comedian Jope Ruonansuu made parody song about Koivisto's video game hobby. Sounds fascinating - any help with this? --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 11:26, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That info actually use to be on this page...before I deleted it. ;) I went back into this article's history and saw I deleted it Feb 2007. My edit summary was "Such a unique, interesting, and specific piece of trivia deserves a credible source." I'd love to find something helpful to backup a quirky fact though. Until then, it really does need a source. Anybody on the Finnish article have any sources to back it up?--Blackbox77 (talk) 18:09, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Should there be a sequel?

I, --Hallo1198 (talk) 23:05, 2 June 2009 (UTC), think that there should be a sequel to ice climbers for wii, in which you climb mountains for money, used to get better equipment. who agrees?[reply]

This is not a forum. It is where you talk about fixing up the article. --Blake (talk) 20:43, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

SSB4 glitch

I added the following sentence to the article, but it was reverted for being "trivia":

A glitch in the 3DS version makes it so that spectators will chant the Ice Climbers' names when playing as the Villager against Dr. Mario.^[1]^{[unreliable source?]}

Do you think it should be included since it shows how far their development may have gone? And also, it truly is an appearance in "Other media". [Soffredo] 12:53, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's not really important in the scope of Ice Climbers being in Smash Bros. It's already established that work was done to put Ice Climbers in the game but were scraped, so some assets will still exist in the final build. The glitch just reveals one of those assets, but it doesn't tell us anything else. The Ice Climbers appear in the game as a trophy, which I consider a more notable than a glitch. Plus, the source is an uploaded video to DailyMotion, which is not favorable nor reliable. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 13:14, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x263bbe_ice-climbers-dans-ssb4_videogames

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Reddit post on release date

User:(Oinkers42) pointed out a Reddit thread in the WPVG Discord questioning the October 1984 release date: https://www.reddit.com/r/nintendo/comments/10p5sqo/the_ice_climber_conspiracy_what_year_did_the_ice/

More specifically, the user cites whoever the heck the archive.org uploader of the 2005 Akagi book being used as a reference. The introduction at https://archive.org/details/ArcadeGameList1971-2005/page/n129/mode/2up does say "However, due to it's scope, it is not completely accurate. (The reposter of this material has found several errors even in the Japanese materials)." How much to take the word of a random uploader is hard to say, but then again, this kind of "giant pile of facts we found" almanac kind of book is known to have more frequent errors than books on more focused topics, since there's a lack of a "sanity check" of someone diving really deeply into one topic.

Is the archive.org disclaimer enough to call the NA vs. Ice Climber release date disputed or unknown? Reddit itself isn't citable, of course, but we can use our own good judgment to decide that this book isn't reliable as well. SnowFire (talk) 05:47, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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