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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was - no consensus - SimonP 23:43, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Edison high school now moved to Edison High School, Huntington Beach

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School stub. Precedent that high schools need to start out as an article showing notability, no school stubs. CAPS LOCK 00:45, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete unless quickly expanded, btw. CAPS LOCK 00:49, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • Change to Keep, established notability due to famouse graduates. 01:35, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)CAPS LOCK
  • Delete, google search doesn't reveal anything immediately noteworthy. --Barfooz (talk) 00:59, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and expand. Refer to WP:SCH and stob clogging VfD with pointless school nominations. Expand or merge school stubs, don't delete them. --BaronLarf 01:45, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
    • WP:SCH is not policy, and there is no indication that there is even a consensus of Wikipedia members who approve of it. Don't point to that page as if it were some proof of notability. RickK 22:08, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
      • Well it's true that you don't like it and it isn't policy, but it's being cited a lot, which I guess makes it a guideline. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 23:16, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
      • It's only a guideline because you put the guideline header on it, replacing the notpolicy header I put on it. Just citing it does not make it a guideline, nor is it a valid usage to cite it as a reason why a school should not be listed on VfD. RickK 23:28, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
      • The more it's cited, the wider the support the guideline will have. If there's something in the guideline you think is inappropriate, let's work on it. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 23:31, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
        • And how do those of us who oppose this "guideline" "uncite" it so that it is not used as a policy? RickK 23:43, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
        • Sorry I can't make sense of that at all. What do you mean? --Tony Sidaway|Talk 00:03, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
      • And as to whether to list schools for deletion, well I should have thought that the manifest reluctance of Wikipedia to delete articles about schools would be deterrence enough, and that is all the guideline does, to reflect our collective experience on this issue. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 23:34, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
        • And all of us who stopped voting on schools because there was supposed to be a consensus, and all we got was this non-policy that the school inclusionists oppose a vote on? RickK 23:43, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
        • You can always go back to WP:SCH and we'll thrash out any remaining differences. I don't think a vote is appropriate; even Neutrality gave up on that one. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 00:01, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
          • I have stopped discussing it on WP:SCH because you are not using good faith in order to "trash out" anything, but are merely trying to ram your opinion down the throat of everybody else. I have refrained from voting on schools while this was being hashed out, but it appears there is no more hashing out to be done with people who's sole modus operandi is to demand that their opinion carry sway and claim they have consensus support although there is no such thing. RickK 21:22, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
      • I used WP:SCH to sum up my points instead of making my arguments for the 100th time, in an attempt to prevent this VfD for becoming the umpteenth battleground over schools. I'm not pointing to the page to prove notability; secondary schools are inherently notable, and should not need to prove their notability. Nowhere in my vote did I claim it was a policy. Cheers. --BaronLarf 04:34, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. DS1953 02:13, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep -- Longhair | Talk 02:15, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Disambig. There's also an Edison High School in Fresno, California,[1] which is ranked #329 on Newsweek's 2005 list of the Best High Schools in America. -- BD2412 talk 02:35, 2005 Jun 2 (UTC)
    • Keep as is, now that it's been moved. -- BD2412 talk 13:34, 2005 Jun 2 (UTC)
  • Keep although article title doesn't look right unless its "Edison High School". Hedley 02:45, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Disambig and Move to Edison High School (Huntington Beach, California). When will editors learn to be bold and merge? Disambig page in place, there is also a same name school in New Jersey. Vegaswikian 02:55, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, disambiguate and expand. —RaD Man (talk) 03:15, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep school articles. See Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep for reasons. --Unfocused 03:16, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Move to Edison High School (Huntington Beach, California). Verifiable and NPOV. DoubleBlue (Talk) 03:31, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • 'Delete. Is not encylopedia and will never be encylopedic. Neutralitytalk 04:19, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, encyclopedic part of the sum of all knowledge. Kappa 04:51, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • DELETE - There must be 7,790,345,123.2 Edison High Schools in the United Kingdom, and that squared in the USA. Logic compels the name must then become a disambigulationpage at best. The humble one line article is OK, but is Wiki going to make an honest attempt to list every High School in the country in the spirit of fair play? If the answer to that is Yes, then save the hassles later, turn it into a disambigulation stub with a reference to this High School along the lines of naming rulers like Edison III High School of New Mexico (or whatever state that was). It will save time later, and set a precedent for handling the other 7,790,345,122+. Fabartus 05:18, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • Keep. There are precisely seven, not 7.7-billion, Edison high schools in the United States and each of them are notable in their own right. --Bahn Mi 00:55, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • See WP:AN/I. This is a suspected sock of User:GRider, who is banned from VfD. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 18:00, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Notable School. User:GRider/Schoolwatch. Klonimus 05:44, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • No vote but please refrain from nominating high schools for deletion unless you have a very good reason (e.g. it doesn't exist). All verified high schools will be kept, see Wikipedia:Watch/schoolwatch/Votes_for_deletion_archive. Also, remember that VfD is not meant to be emergency expansion of articles, even though it often is. Sjakkalle 07:05, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Perfectly good article. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 07:47, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep as per Wikipedia:Schools. James F. (talk) 09:35, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. I wish people would stop their vendetta against schools in Wikipedia. It was agreed that schools should no longer be nominated for VfD, let's keep to this. Jamyskis 10:55, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge||Keep per wikipedia:schools — RJH 16:18, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete: It "was agreed?" By whom? See Schoolwatch? That's dishonest. Significant and notable Burger Kings are proper topics, and so are significant and notable schools. Being a school only means that it is a functional box full of students. That is not sufficient, and I wish people would stop their hysterical and irrational screaming about the sin of deleting substubs with "school" in their title. A substub should go. A non-notable topic should go. A substub on a non-notable school should go. There's an end on't. Geogre 18:51, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge with Huntington Beach, California --TimPope 19:28, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete drini ☎ 20:38, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge with the appropriate geographical article to keep the school inclusionists happy. --Carnildo 21:12, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • Deletionists vote merge, not inclusionists.Oliver Chettle 18:53, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • keep please since it has been established these schools are notable Yuckfoo 21:43, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. NeoJustin 03:06, June 3, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Quale 04:29, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete or, at the very least, merge. – ugen64 04:37, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep What baronlarf said above, in short: WP:SCH. If you disagree let's talk in the talk section there, or even make your own wikiproject against schools. Also if you see a school is in need of keep votes please contact me, enough wasting time on trying to delete schools, I'd hoped this would be a resolved issue by now. --ShaunMacPherson 05:31, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. No Account
  • Delete or (second choice) Redirect and Merge into Huntington Beach Union High School District or Huntington Beach, California until this runt grows up. BlankVerse ∅ 14:28, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. I'd like to tackle CAPSLOCK's tactics here. He states as his justification: "Precedent that high schools need to start out as an article showing notability, no school stubs." To put it baldly, there is no such precedent--Wikipedia routinely refuses to delete stubs for quite normal high schools. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 14:40, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, not notable. RickK 21:23, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep There is no such "precedent". It is just a fabrication by deletionists attempting to get more school articles deleted. Oliver Chettle 18:52, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete; what's next, grade schools? kindergartens? Bill 02:20, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. All schools are enduring physical and social institutions. --Centauri 08:20, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Gamaliel 17:28, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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