Talk:Same-sex marriage in France

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I've added a link to the French Wikipedia entry which corresponds to this page, in case anyone who is more bilingual than I am would like a convenient way to keep them in synch with each other -- Ray Radlein, May 13, 2004

Hi - I would just like to say that the recognition by France of the Dutch same-sex marriage was only in the instance of two Dutch men and only with regards to submitting a joint tax declaration. France does not recognise a Dutch same-sex marriage between a Dutch man and a non-EU man, nor does it recognise a Dutch marriage in other areas aside from tax. -- mvangelderen, April 8, 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mvangelderen (talk • contribs) 16:41, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Overseas departments and territories of France

It looks that the law is fully applicable to these territories. I think that the text is quite clear about it. If I understand correctly, the government must issue the order implementing the law in the territories within 6 months. Ron 1987 (talk) 10:05, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Or in some cases also change the civil code locally it seems; as this law doesn't hold there (at least that's a possible explanation; I could translate "à l'exception de celles du code civil" also as: with the exception of those from the code civil))… That's at least what I also make from it. I'll put a "verification needed" tag until we have sorted it out and will as around at fr-wikipedia… L.tak (talk) 15:28, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Actually, as indicated in section 22, provisions concerning the civil law provisions are valid in New Caledonia, Wallis-and-Futuna and French Polynesia (all French laws are automatically valid in other overseas territories, except if stated otherwise, which is not the case here).

Section 14-2° states that ordinances will be taken withing six months:

• to make provisions so that the non-civil aspects of the law (social insurances for example) are applicapble in New Caledonia, Wallis-and-Futuna, French Antartica and French Polynesia;
• to make adaptations for local laws of Mayotte, Saint-Barthélemy, Saint-Martin and Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon. --Superbenjamin (talk) 16:05, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for clarification. Ron 1987 (talk) 16:10, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Marriage / Civil Union

The whole article talks about marriage. But that implies to anyone reading the article that it means a religious marriage. As far as I can tell from my quick reading of the news, the law change is with regards civil unions. Yes I know the LGBT groups are campaigning that marriage is marriage no matter what method is used, but it's important in an encyclopedia article to ensure that people do not get the wrong impression. I suggest that "marriage" throughout the article be changed to "civil union". 79.70.78.26 (talk) 06:27, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

You should read proper news[1] or try to understand the concept of Civil Marriage Vargmali (talk) 06:47, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Oooh, proper news by the BBC. Very authoritative. But even they don't spell out that that it is civil marriage. None of the references to marriage in this article mention the word civil. Marriage has been used for decades to mean the religious ceremony, whilst civil union is used for the state version. What France is legalising is the civil union. It is not a wedding or a marriage. It is a civil union. Marriage is used by those who want to equate religious marriage with civil marriage to make out that they are the same thing. They are not. One is a legally recognised union. The other is one carried out by people who have weird beliefs. 79.70.78.26 (talk) 17:26, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Read article 1 of the new law. It's marriage, not civil union. Ron 1987 (talk) 17:43, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

I'll add that the French civil marriage is a ceremony on top of a contract, invented during the revolution to replace the religious marriage. It's the only kind of recognized marriage, in fact marrying religiously without first marrying civilly is punishable by law (the religious leader doing it can go to jail in theory). There is even a civil baptism ! Aesma (talk) 00:58, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Chapin and Charpentier's ECHR case

Anyone know what has happened or will happen with Chapin and Charpentier's case at the European Court of Human Rights? Will it be dropped by the court now that it has become moot? - htonl (talk) 20:17, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

En 2018, 266 000 personnes vivent en couple avec un conjoint de même sexe

[2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.48.31.34 (talk) 11:48, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

En France, les 133.000 couples de même sexe vivent principalement dans les grandes villes

[3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.48.31.34 (talk) 11:55, 21 January 2023 (UTC)