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I'd like to see a source better than an internet genealogy page for the other children -- Missi

Please make a date to your comments.

Kindly go to a really good reference library and find the book series "Europäische Stammtafeln".

The couple had the following children who died young:

Robert, *1297, +St.Germain-en-Laye VIII.1308, bur St.Louis, Poissy
Marguerite, *1288, +1300
Blanche, *1290, +1294, bur St.Denis

I am of the opinion that children who did not reach adulthood, are not necessary to list in encyclopedia article, with the exception of child or children who had a clear role in history. Such as having succeeded underage, or being a nexus of inheritance dispute, or having delayed some succession by wait of the birth or having been an alternative successor.

The internet material of http://genealogy.euweb.cz/ obviously is the rendering of Europäische Stammtafeln into internet using English, and is highly reliable. Please check the list on page http://genealogy.euweb.cz/capet/capet5.html 62.78.106.199 15:47, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

My opinion is that their children are important from a historical perspective. First, from a political point of view because potential marriages of alliance were planned. Second, as the basis for the alliances that were made for expediency. To not include the children who died young distorts the history since their existence was a factor in their parents decisions. 97.83.34.156 (talk) 06:16, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone know when she led the army against the Count de bar? I'd like to add her to the Timeline of Women in Medieval warfare. Asarelah 03:33, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Error

There's an error when talking about the age Joan had when she got married to Philip. If she was really born in 1273, she was 11 in 1284. If she was 13 in 1284, it means that she was born in 1271. I do not know which one is correct, so I cannot change the error myself Thank you AndreGolf4 (talk) 11:15, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Questionable addition

This paragraph has been added twice to Joan's article,
"Philip III wanted the young queen of Navarre to marry his eldest son Louis, but they were within the prohibited degrees of consanguinity, which required papal dispensation. The Kings of Castile and Aragon opposed this scheme, and represented to the Pope, that since a French prince is already ruler of Sicily, it would be unreasonable to add Navarre unto the dominions of the King of France. On the other hand, Pope Gregory X did not wish to offend the King of France. As a compromise, he granted the dispensation, not to the king's eldest son Louis, but for the second son Philip."
I am not seeing this depict Joan as the first person, considering this article is about her. Perhaps with a proper rewrite, which depicts Joan as the primary individual within the paragraph, and a modern source, this could be added to the article. --Kansas Bear (talk) 13:11, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Whereas, the Woodacre source page 29, states,
"The Treaty of Orleans, in May 1275, included a marriage agreement between one of Philip III's sons (Louis or Philip)..."
which is referenced by a modern source. --Kansas Bear (talk) 13:19, 18 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Founding of Collège de Navarre

Kansas Bear, I see why you nixed that ref I added last year. Here's a Google Books search url that will take you what I found back then. Here on Commons is the Acte to which that mention of the founding is referring. Of course, it's faded Latin on parchment, which makes it a chore for me to parse. So far I cannot find a transcription of the text, which I would imagine must exist somewhere. I have so far failed to find the document's entry in the French national archives, despite attempts to search under various formulations of keywords and file numbers provided on the Commons entry and on fr.wp's article fr:Collège de Navarre, which gives Jeanne as the founder, but does not provide an inline citation. Can you see a way we can use any of this to provide a reference? Eric ^talk 22:46, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We can use French Universities and Their Pursuit of Freedom. It is authored by Pierre Donzelot and you have provided a page number and publisher. Would you like to add it?

Would not the Commons file be considered a primary source? Although, I see no reason why you should not add that image to this article. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:11, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Donzelot ref is the one you took out; are you saying we could go with the search url from above instead of the one I originally used? Eric ^talk 12:05, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The original link did not show/verify the information(at least when I clicked on it), and did not show an author name. But the one you provided here satisfies WP:V and a search on amazon indicated the author's name. --Kansas Bear (talk) 12:36, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks for the input. I'll restore the ref using the search url. Eric ^talk 12:40, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]