Talk:Lonsdale (clothing)

Date ambiguity

The term "mid 2000s" can refer to any of 3 things:
• around 2005
• around 2050
• around 2500
Although the latter two do not make any sense yet in relation to the article, it may be better to refer to "the mid 2000s decade" for the sake of disambiguation. Alastair.callum (talk) 11:14, 12 March 2010 (UTC) Alastair.callum

Reference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000s —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alastair.callum (talk • contribs) 11:28, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

References

Netherlands

• It is far not only in the Netherleands (for example it is the same in Hungary).--84.0.240.4 20:23, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
• I'll be extending the article by translating extended information from the Dutch article (nl:Lonsdale). This should be complete sometime within the next 24 hours. --Hooloovoo 13:56, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
• Done --Hooloovoo 15:09, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
• I don't know why there's no reference to Dutch neo-Nazi's in this article. It seems to me to be a well known connection and should be mentioned so I've put it in--Charlie Perry 23:34, 4 November 2005 (UTC).--143.238.78.177 23:33, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Overall improvements

I am just wondering about this article as a whole. To be honest, it is quite curious and in my opinion, grossly misleading or unbalanced.

After all, Lonsdale is a boxing equipment manufacturer. Actually, one of the very few manufacturers who can provide everything form whole boxing rings to hand wraps. Certainly, it is not a clothing company who just happens to manufacture boxing equipment, but a boxing equipment manufacturer, who happens to manufacture clothing.

However, this article appears to emphasise subjective and geographically limited cultural aspects of the brand, links to neo-nazis and the like, while simply overlooking boxing equipment.

I would like to suggest that this article is divided in two or three sections. One discussing origins of the brand, one related to boxing equipment and one to cultural aspects. Or perhaps, one discussing boxing equipment, one related cultural aspects.

How would that be? --Thermos (talk) 15:16, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

I think those proposed edits sound suitable. I agree that the entry is misleading, especially as it appears to be very heavily skewed towards the Neo-Nazi adoption of the brand.

With regards to whether or not Lonsdale should be classed as a boxing brand as opposed to a clothing brand, it would be in line with their primary focus of being a boxing equipment company. It seems that their clothing is manufactured in the context of it being sold to boxers as "equipment" (for training sessions and so on), rather than as a fashion item. Although it is likely that people are buying Lonsdale clothing for fashion purposes. A point of comparison would be Everlast_(boxing), a similar company whose output also covers professional boxing equipment. It would probably make sense to have the company listed under boxing as opposed to clothing.

As you suggested. The entry also definitely needs to have clearer defined sections. There needs to be a distinction made between the descriptive information regarding Lonsdale that covers them as a company and the cultural and social issues surrounding the brand.

I think the biggest issue with the page is the references to the Neo-Nazi use of the brand; as it stands the mention of the "Lonsdale Youth" seems to be very poorly dealt with and quite one-sided. It's definitely an issue that should be covered given the magnitude of the association especially in parts of Europe where the issue has received a lot of public attention. I feel that the entire Neo-Nazi link needs to be dealt with in a separate section as it can be considered an isolated issue separate from the brand itself. I also feel that more research needs to be done on what Lonsdale's reaction to this link is. It appears that Lonsdale has tried to take steps to publicly condemn the associations with Neo-Nazi groups and, in the interests of objectivity, their response needs to be covered as well.

Generally, the article needs developing. I think the 'Lonsdale Youth' section would be a good place to start. What does everyone else think? --Brother Kaif (talk) 16:42, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

I have separated the entry into clearer sections. This should give the entry a bit more structure to work with whilst developing this article. I'm not sure what to call the section that deals with the Neo-Nazi association. I have named the section "Lonsdale Youth" association so as to differentiate that social issue from the information regarding the brand itself. Any suggestions for how the section should be named are welcome. I'm going to do some research and develop the History section next. --Brother Kaif (talk) 11:42, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

I've made a number of changes to the article, mostly focussed on the area regarding the neo-nazi controversy. Added a few more sources for citation and also consolidated a few sections together. Would like to develop the history section a bit more but there seems to be a serious lack of sources available for that which is a shame. I think that my references might need tidying up (I'm still new to this!).--Brother Kaif (talk) 18:13, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Added slightly more detailed company info. Information has already been sourced from the citations referred in the article. --Brother Kaif (talk) 10:29, 7 April 2010 (UTC)