Talk:General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party

China: Politics High‑importance

	China portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject China, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of China related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ChinaWikipedia:WikiProject ChinaTemplate:WikiProject ChinaChina-related articles
High	This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by WikiProject Chinese politics (assessed as High-importance).

Socialism Mid‑importance

	Socialism portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Socialism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of socialism on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SocialismWikipedia:WikiProject SocialismTemplate:WikiProject Socialismsocialism articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Head of Government?

Should the General Secretary be described as the de facto head of government in China? It's pretty uncontroversial that they are the one in charge, and the term "paramount leader" isn't one that is particularly commonly known. I don't think any other position is described as the head of government in China. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NateNate60 (talk • contribs) 18:55, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

no, the head of the government is the premier of the state council, the state council is the government 158.223.166.109 (talk) 19:16, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List

The list of Chairmen already appears in Communist Party of China. Why repeat it here? This list should be limited to General secretaries. --Jiang 06:06 9 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I removed the list entirely, replacing it with a redirect to the Party leaders list. It is simply false to claim that the post of General Secretary was vacant from 1943 to 1982. Str1977 ^(talk) 09:04, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Qu Qiubai

Qu Qiubai never assumed the position of General Secretary, according to both his last words "The Redundant Words" and the Chinese version of this page. --Pkchan 17:23, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

File:Hu Jintao Photo Portrait.jpg Nominated for Deletion

An image used in this article, File:Hu Jintao Photo Portrait.jpg, has been nominated for deletion at Wikimedia Commons in the following category: Deletion requests September 2011

What should I do?

Don't panic; a discussion will now take place over on Commons about whether to remove the file. This gives you an opportunity to contest the deletion, although please review Commons guidelines before doing so.

If the image is non-free then you may need to upload it to Wikipedia (Commons does not allow fair use)
If the image isn't freely licensed and there is no fair use rationale then it cannot be uploaded or used.

This notification is provided by a Bot --CommonsNotificationBot (talk) 17:48, 15 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

File:Hua Guofeng-1.jpg Nominated for Deletion

An image used in this article, File:Hua Guofeng-1.jpg, has been nominated for deletion at Wikimedia Commons in the following category: Deletion requests February 2012

What should I do?

Don't panic; a discussion will now take place over on Commons about whether to remove the file. This gives you an opportunity to contest the deletion, although please review Commons guidelines before doing so.

If the image is non-free then you may need to upload it to Wikipedia (Commons does not allow fair use)
If the image isn't freely licensed and there is no fair use rationale then it cannot be uploaded or used.

This notification is provided by a Bot --CommonsNotificationBot (talk) 22:19, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Term limits

As far as I know, the office of the General Secretary never had term limits although the article says "The current General Secretary is Xi Jinping, who took office on 15 November 2012 and was re-elected on 25 October 2017. Afterwards, he was given the ability to have no limit to the amount of terms as a General Secretary." Even the cited source from Daily Mail says: "China's constitution sets term limits for presidents and ministers, but there is no such rule for the party secretary." This is backed by reliable sources as well. [1] [2] [3] [4] Should the sentence be removed? The Account 1 (talk) 14:43, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Account 1: Yes, I think it should be removed. The Daily Mail is listed as unreliable source at WP:RSP and the sources you provided indicate that the Daily Mail got the facts wrong. --MarioGom (talk) 15:25, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

MarioGom I removed the sentence. The Account 1 (talk) 15:39, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why is General Secretary capitalised?

What the title says: Why is General Secretary capitalised? Like, why is it like that in all instances? Shouldn't it only be that when it's a title in front of an actual name? --Luka1184 (talk) 23:31, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 16 November 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: page not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) —Nnadigoodluck███ 11:20, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party → General Secretary of the Communist Party of China – the official translation of this party is the Communist Party of China, we should respect the official name of this party. Some people argue that there are no official translation of the name of the party, please visit the official website of the Government of the PRC, it is listed in there. Lerong Lin (talk) 06:32, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose In my opinion, this move request should be placed at the Chinese Communist Party main article, not here. Because any move of main article's name will affects all sub-article named after that. 36.76.234.133 (talk) 09:13, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, as the previous commenter states, we should not change this title unless the name of the main article is changed, and it appears that a few months ago there was a strong consensus there (on the main article's talk page) in favor of the current name. W. P. Uzer (talk) 13:25, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as above. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:52, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Should this article be protected?

The last time I posted a section, the picture of Xi Jinping changed to a drawing of Winnie the Pooh. (I think this could be trolling or vandalism) I suggest someone change it or at least keep this article locked until further notice. MasterWolf0928-Æthelwulf (talk) 16:51, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:

Xi Jinping 2023.jpg

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 10:54, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

head

Shouldn't the general secretary be listed as the leader of the party rather than head 158.223.166.109 (talk) 17:05, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Official name

On FMPRC.gov.cn: "On August 3, 2024, General Secretary of the Communist Party of China (CPC) Central Committee Xi Jinping..." the official name for the office should be 'General Secretary of the Communist Party of China Central Committee' or at least 'General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China'. Also on Chinese Communist Party said the official name of the party is the Communist Party of China, so must be consistent. 49.157.47.192 (talk) 12:30, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Talk:Chinese Communist Party/FAQ. - Amigao (talk) 15:37, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Officially" here, 'The Chinese Communist Party (CCP), officially the Communist Party of China (CPC),' 49.157.46.67 (talk) 06:06, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

would you please stop? there's no need to perfectly duplicate the existing situation on the other page. not every derivative name needs to have the same distinction spelled out, it's pure clutter, and nothing really worth discussing of substance except indignance that the common name isn't the preferred rendering in English. Remsense ‥ 论 23:49, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalisation of "general secretary"

I have uncapitalised the words "general secretary" in the first sentence and insist that it remain uncapitalised per MOS:JOBTITLES. This is in conformance with every other article on Wikipedia that discusses political offices, from General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union to President of the United States to Chancellor of Germany to Prime Minister of Japan to Premier of the Republic of China. This includes other China-related articles including Premier of China, President of China, or Chairman of the Central Military Commission.

The reason that is, is that despite the fact titles are proper noun in basically country's constitutions or law, they are also usually functional as common nouns when describing the office, and the MOS indeed specifies that unless the title is described, rather than the office, the term must not be capitalised. The exception, of course, is when the word in question is only used to describe that particular office and there are no other equivalents. For example, while the word "president", "premier", "general secretary", and "chairman" could refer to leadership positions in a number of organisations, the word "Taoiseach" only refers to the head of government of Ireland.

NateNate60 (talk) 03:31, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We don't invent our own forms, and this title is capitalized in every source I've ever read. Remsense ‥ 论 03:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here are the top ten links for a Google Search for the term "general secretary of China":

(This Wikipedia article)
https://multimedia.scmp.com/widgets/china/cpc-primer/ "Xi Jinping is the most powerful figure in the Chinese political system. He is the president of China, but his real influence comes from his position as the general secretary of the Chinese Communist Party."
https://www.uschina.org/resources/chinese-government-leadership "Xi Jinping is the general secretary of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), chairman of the CCP Central Military Commission, president of the People’s Republic of China (PRC), and the chairman of the PRC Central Military Commission."
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Xi-Jinping "Xi Jinping (born June 15, 1953, Beijing, China) is a Chinese politician and government official who has served as the general secretary of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) since 2012 and as the president of the People’s Republic of China since 2013. "
https://www.idcpc.gov.cn/english/cpcbrief/leadership/index.html "Xi Jinping was unanimously elected general secretary of the 20th CPC Central Committee at the committee's first plenary session held on Sunday."
http://www.cecc.gov/heads-of-state-of-the-prc (Fifth result has no mention of Xi Jinping, but does capitalise "general secretary")
https://www.britannica.com/place/China/Leaders-of-the-Peoples-Republic-of-China-since-1949 (Does not capitialise "general secretary", but this is the same source as #3)
"https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/chinese-communist-party As general secretary of the CCP, Xi sits atop the party’s power structure."
https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/General-Secretary-Xi-in-His-Own-Words-V3.pdf (Does not use "General Secretary" in reference to an office)
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/10/23/xi-jinping-secures-historic-third-term-as-chinas-leader "Chinese Communist Party elects Xi Jinping as its general secretary for a precedent-breaking third term, introduces a Politburo Standing Committee stacked with loyalists"

The near-unanimous consensus of the sources is that "general secretary" in reference to the office is not capitalised. NateNate60 (talk) 03:44, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mea culpa. I've done my classic search through my books, and "general secretary" actually does appear there frequently also. Nothing else to say than "my bad, should've double checked". Remsense ‥ 论 03:46, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]