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Questions

Q: Isn't an Ace Crusher a Stone Cold Stunner? I seem to remember hearing a story that DDP was training with Ace and Regal, and he combined the Ace Crusher and Regal Cutter to create the Diamond Cutter. Plus, I was pretty sure an Ace Crusher was the same thing as a Stunner. I've always associated "crusher" with a sit down position and "cutter" with a laying down position.
A: The difference between Ace Crusher and Diamond Cutter is that in Ace Crusher the wrestler wraps one of his arms around the opponent's head and jumps up so that he's horizontal, and puts his free hand on the opponent's head while falling down, pulling the opponent down to the mat. With Diamond Cutter the wrestler wraps both of his hands around the head of the opponent and takes a few steps forward, causing both men to drop to the mat. The terms however have become quite interchangeable, so they are considered the same move.

Q: Didn't Randy Orton also get his RKO from the diamond Cutter?
A: Huh? The move was taught to him by John Laurinitis, AKA Johnny Ace who called it the Ace Crusher.

Q: Anyone know any pro-wrestlers in training? It would be really cool if we could get some copyright-free video of some of the moves linked.
A: I know a guy who was in training as a wrestler, but he never completed it. Video might be good, but I think some clean-looking diagrams would be more immediately useful. — Gwalla | Talk 06:10, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Necessary Changes

Here are some changes that I find completely necessary to the pro wrestling throws' page:

1. Why is armbar takedown listed here? That's just a method used to put somebody in an armbar. There is NO reason why it should be here.

suggstion: remove armbar takedown

2. So there are two versions of the Last Ride? I never knew that! Maybe somebody is spamming!

suggestion: remove "extended powerbomb"

3. Somebody needs to confirm if there is such thing as a "rolling fallaway slam".

Why don't you edit them? This is a wiki, after all. — Gwalla | Talk 00:57, 11 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You're right! I should! But, some person might add those FAKE moves back but...what the hell! IF ANYBODY ADDS ANY OF THE FAKE MOVES ABOVE BACK TO THE ARTICLE THEN GIVE ME A REASON WHY OR ELSE I WILL KEEP DELETING THEM! — Scorpion | Talk

Armbar takedown is not a fake move, nor is it just a way to place someone in an armbar, it is a trown to the ground by pulling on the arm... (Nunzios finisher is a springboard armbar takedown) (Christian performed an armbar take down to Chris Benoit from the top of a ladder at Wrestlemania 21) (the next night Edge used an armbar takedown to weaken Benoit's arm) hmmm funny thats a lot of use for a fake move.

Extended powerbomb isnt note worthy, it was a botched last ride by kane during the time of the Brothers of Destruction though others believe that to be the move given as a finisher to kane in the WWE Smackdown Games for the Playstation

Rolling Fallaway Slam nuthing more than a float over into another fallaway slam, much like what is noted at the end of northen lights suplex. Also did you know a fall awayslam can be bridged into a pin.

Anyway to sum up Keep Armbar Takedown, Remove Extended Powerbomb, Merge Rolling Fallaway Slam with Fallaway Slam ---- Paulley 13:52, 12 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The Rolling Fallway Slam was regularly used by William Regal in 2000-1.

http://www.deathvalleydriver.com/bbbowm/part1.htm - Slam, Forward Rolling Fallaway. And Chris Jericho included it on his list of 1002 moves. It isn't a "fake" move.

Scorpion, the onus is on you to justify changes, otherwise this would be a very short list. Please don't delete large amounts of content in a gung ho fashion without discussing it first. McPhail 15:54, 12 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yea i remebered that as i was editing, so i merged Rolling Fallaway Slam with "Fireman's Carry Slam" that is what move is a variation of (it seems Samoan drops are also refered to as fallaway slams). sorry i didnt inform you of that before you placed rolling fallaway slam back in --- Paulley 18:14, 12 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Page length

This article is so long that some browsers will have trouble with it. It will be difficult to break up, because all the sub-topics are relatively similar, but knowledgeable editors might consider ways to divide it into several smaller articles that could be referenced from here, allowing this article to be shortened. - DavidWBrooks 18:18, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I REALLY suggest that this article be split into two different pages:

Professional wrestling throws with names A-M and
Professional wrestling throws with names N-Z

Hopefully somebody will do it soon. - Scorpion

Dividing it alphabetically doesn't seem like a useful way of organizing it. Take the Michinoku driver: it's a piledriver variant. Should it be put in A-M, or in N-Z under the piledrivers subsection? Either way would make it harder to find.

A more sensible way of splitting the article, it seems to me, would be to split out the larger sections into articles of their own, and have this one explain the basic types of throws and slams and link to the lists of variants. — Gwalla | Talk 03:14, 23 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I do think we will have to make a Piledriver page, and Powerbomb page, Suplex is already in use, so i suggest Suplex (professional wrestling). But all of you realise the impact this will have dont you, we will have to go through every article this page links too and correct the links.

also like to add Michinoku Driver isnt a piledriver... along with samoan driver, half nelson driver (Jonny Storms wonderwhirl') they are themselfs a whole seperate section. --- Paulley 19:34, 23 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That's true, my bad. My point still holds though. Oh, and suplex is already in use, but that's because it's apparently about the wrestling move, so it can be used as part of the split. — Gwalla | Talk 22:56, 24 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, well like John Cena said "some ppl tlk about it, others BE about it"... take note this is the last day this page will not be split, tomorrow i will personally begin the process of dividing this page into pages for each section --- Paulley 09:33, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I just moved the suplexes to suplex. That article still needs some cleanup but it's a start. I doubt we need to move all sections out—giving the atomic drop its own article would be overkill—just the big categories like piledrivers and powerbombs. — Gwalla | Talk 16:33, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Piledriver and Powerbomb done.... ok i think thats enough for now, please let start fixing links--- Paulley 18:49, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

We could probably break out bodyslams into a separate article. The only problem with that is that they are the most "throw-like" of the moves in this article ostensibly on throws. That's less of a problem if we move this article to a more suitable title.

We could also break out DDT (professional wrestling) and Bulldog (professional wrestling). The advantage of having separate articles on basic move types is that linked moves (in wrestler bios, for instance) become less dependent on the section structure of these articles: if a link is made to a suplex with a mistyped or nonexistent section title, at least it links to information on suplexes rather than on throws and slams in general. — Gwalla | Talk 06:07, 31 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

So you mean we make this article "Professional wrestling moves" and have every type of move link from it... including attacks, double team, holds, highflying etc. -- Paulley 16:25, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

No, I think this article should stick around but be a lot shorter. Maybe rename it list of professional wrestling throws and slams or something like that (titles are supposed to be in the singular, something I didn't fully realize when I was starting out). — Gwalla | Talk 23:14, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, your right i never noticed that before. We may have to consider moving the the articles about professional wrestling moves, because non of the origional ones are in singular, only the move specific ones.

Also i do agree that we should move the DDT's into their own section -- Paulley 17:47, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

What about the different kind of breaker i.e. Armbreaker, Neckbreaker, Backbreaker, Shoulderbreaker, Facebreaker, etc. and the different kinds of buster i.e. Facebuster, Brainbuster etc.... i was gonna say maybe they should have there own page as in a Buuster page and a Breaker page, but now i read it that seems a little silly... looking at it the only ones that could really get awy with their own page would be Neckbreaker, Backbreaker, Brainbuster, Facebuster (because even ppl that dont know much about wrestling have heard of terms like "brainbuster") --- Paulley

Brainbuster, neckbreaker, facebuster, and backbreaker should probably get their own articles. They each have a lot of variants. Neckbreaker in particular needs a bit of a refactor (people have been using weird header nesting. Also, we should get rid of the neologisms "neckbreaker slam" and "neckbreaker drop" (my fault) in favor of something more descriptive. The backbreaker and Argentine backbreaker holds should probably be broken out of the holds article and merged into backbreaker. We probably also need to break out powerslam and bodyslam. — Gwalla | Talk 06:36, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

neckbreaker, DDT (professional wrestling) and backbreaker done. --- Paulley 4 July 2005 21:28 (UTC)

Drivers

This section seems redundant.

A Driver is a variation of many moves that involves an opponent being driven down to the mat on the back of their neck/sholder area. most commonly down between the legs of an attacker (who is dropping to a seated position).

The "most common variant", of course, describes the piledriver. All of the other drivers listed are variants of other moves (brainbusters, powerbombs, etc.), so the whole section is duplicating information that should be elsewhere.

If we really need a section for "moves with Driver in the name", then we should reword that paragraph and replace the subsections with a list that links each move name to the description in its appropriate article and section. Otherwise this section should be removed. — Gwalla | Talk 16:36, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

well first off piledriver and brainbuster are not a varition of that what-so-ever, its neck and shoulder area, not top of head. and as for it being just a variation of a move... well it is, just like everything elso, there is a half nelson suplex, slam, driver (the "wonderwhirl"), facebuster.

omittedly you are right i did make the section a little redundent when i added the Death Valley Driver and changed the section's headline text if you would like to revert that section back to before then i wont object --- Paulley 17:01, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

i reverted the headline text and removed DVD, hope that sorts it out --- Paulley 17:24, 6 Jun. 2005 (UTC)

Tiger Driver

re http://www.deathvalleydriver.com/bbbowm/part1.htm

That site lists it under the name Double Underhook Powerbomb, and is not clear on the separation between the sitout and regular variant.

The term Tiger Driver comes from Mitsuharu Misawa who as far as I know has only used the name for the sitout variant. (The Tiger Driver '91 and the top rope Tiger Driver have separate names.) If you have an example on the use of the name for a sitoutless variant I'd be happy to hear it, whether it be related to Misawa or anything else in the pro wrestling world.

-- Lakes 23:15, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I can't find a citation to that effect. It is important to distinguish between the moves, though, so if you're certain that a "Tiger Driver" is sitout, then I'll create a separate entry for "double underhook powerbomb", i.e. non-sitout version. McPhail 11:25, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yes this is good by me. Lakes 13:16, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Manhattan drop

Reverted this contribution from an anon. If it does exist, it's not common enough to not need citations. — Gwalla | Talk 04:52, 24 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Its an inverted Atomic drop, which is already on this page... the name Anon called it by is taken from the smackDown! Games, but im not sure if it has been called that by someone down the line somewhere --- Paulley 11:10, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I belive the term Manhattan Drop comes from Japan, as I have seen it in numerous Japanese Wrestling Video Games before seeing it used in Smackdown. I'm not positive at all, but I think Masahiro Chono calls it such.--Talison 07:37, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

The name "Manhattan Drop" came from Adrian Adonis's use of it in Japan. As he popularized the spot, and was billed from Manhattan, the name was born. --RevAladdinSane, 10 January 2006

List of professional wrestling throws

I'm recommending the rename of this article to "List of professional wrestling throws". As per Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists), list articles such as this are much easily recognisable when it begins with "List of...". Great job, BTW, guys. I laud your work creating separate articles for throws that have "outgrown" this list. Thanks! -- Perfecto 21:36, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Unless there are objections, I'll move it tomorrow. -- Perfecto 22:26, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Move done on 00:20, 5 December 2005. Thank you everyone. -- Perfecto 00:22, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Page length part 2

The article is still more than twice the recommended article length, so we're going to have to create more individual articles. Creating Facebuster and Powerslam would greatly reduce the page length. McPhail 18:25, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed... the same can be said for some of the other move list but this one is in the most need right now ---- Paulley 15:12, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Move the page?

Sorry if this has been suggested before, but I noticed that many of the other lists of moves have the title "Professional wrestling (move category)." Shouldn't this page then also be "Professional wrestling throws" instead of "List of ..."? Poofyspikes 05:51, 20 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It was origionally, in fact it was the first wrestling move page on wiki, subsequently it's the only one i did not create. so it is infact my fault that all the other move pages dont go by the correct naming convention. But to answer your question see the discussion to sections above --- Paulley 20:25, 29 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pumphandle Michinoku driver II

Could this move also be called a (As seen in the WWE Smackdown! game series)? Or is it a pumphandle piledriver?--Themasterofdisguise 19:55, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

depends on how much they drop the person on their heads... the Magnum Driver is a sit-out pumphandle slam, while the pumphandle piledriver ends like a reverse (belly-to-belly) piledriver. i think its an inbetween driver version where they are dumped on their upper shoulders and neck area. --- Paulley 10:28, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

Result was move. --- Lid 00:19, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of professional wrestling throws → Professional wrestling throws – Discussion as per Wikipedia: WikiProject Professional Wrestling. Only page that doesn't follow the other move pages such as Professional wrestling holds, Professional wrestling attacks, Professional wrestling aerial techniques and Professional wrestling double-team maneuvers. Most links to the page link to Professional wrestling throws, not List of. Doesn't fall under Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists) as the page is not a series of redirects to other pages and by naming convention doesn't require the List of prefix. Lid 00:11, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~

Support, as per nom --James Duggan 01:01, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support JPG-GR 01:54, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edgelord (talk • contribs)
Support Bdve 18:30, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support per reasons stated above. -->So sayeth M e t h n o r^{Sayeth back}|_{Other sayethings}
Support --HBK|Talk 01:31, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support for convention and consistency with similar articles. --Jtalledo (talk) 13:29, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Add any additional comments

I support the move, but the argument as per Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists) is sort of flawed, because that guide states "Currently there is no single recommended format." Also note that many episode lists for television series on Wikipedia also include additional information for each entry. --Jtalledo (talk) 13:31, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think it should be stated that Bubba Ray Duddley uses the sitout full nelson slam as finsher

Spinebuster

Could somebody upload the pic with Rhino doing the Spinebuster to abyss again? Its much better than the Batista one.

done --- Paulley

Rolling Fireman

Didn't Dave Finlay create the Rolling Firemans Carry? If so can we mention it under the entry? Bdve

I thought so as it is also referred to often as the Finlay Roll, his name for it, but I couldn't confirm it. I reverted it becoming a subsection as then all links to it get broken but if you wish to make it its own section and change the links on the pages to point to it correctly I have no problem. --- Lid 02:21, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fine with it not being a subsection, but when I noticed it I just thought about him and his creating it. I think I need to go looking it up. If he created it he deserved the credit.-Bdve

Grammar concern

Many of the descriptions of the moves use plural pronouns (they, them) when the language calls for singular (he, she, him, her). This really should be changed. Croctotheface 09:26, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The reason for the ambiguity is to get rid of gender relations, as the gender of the performer is irrelevent, and the old type of he/she caused a lot more grammar concerns. –– Lid^(Talk) 11:50, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Wikipedia acknowledges "they" and "them" as singular pronouns. If the style guide doesn't mind this kind of usage, then I certainly don't either. However, if as I suspect Wikipedia does not consider this usage correct, then it really should be changed, either to "he" or "he or she". Although I'll admit that I don't intend to undertake this project myself, it seems to me that there should be some way to write descriptions of moves such that "he or she" could be used correctly. Croctotheface 08:45, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The gender neutral use of "them" and "they" makes gibberish out of many of the entries, e.g. Samoan driver: "The attacking wrestler drapes an opponent over their shoulders in a fireman's carry position and then takes hold of the opponent and pulls them over their shoulder and down to the mat while falling to a sitting position so that the opponent lands on their upper back and neck between the legs of the wrestler, facing towards them." Who hit who in the what?!? Austinmayor (talk) 01:36, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Leg Drag

I need to know what this move I'm describing is called. A guy catches another guys leg. Both are facing face to face. The guy then whips the other guy's leg and his entire body to the floor. Is that a leg drag?

Sounds like a dragon screw leg whip.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 20:40, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely a Dragon Screw. ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ② ^talk 02:11, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Something that bugs me.

A hurracanrana isn't a "headscissors takedown," it's a reverse victory roll. This is a headscissors: [1]. A headscissors takedown would be a flying variation of that hold. A hurracanrana is an entirely different thing. VelvetKevorkian 04:32, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

HBK FU?

At the part about Cenas FU, it says HBK uses the same move, also calling it the FU. Should this be taken out? EDIT: It was changed, so its ok now. MCU 20:34, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alternate regular name for the Death Valley Driver

Could the Death Valley Driver be also named as a fireman's carry side brainbuster? Because the way it performs does ends as a brainbuster on the side. Any opinions? jlog3000 (talk) 17:07, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jumping Russian Legsweep

The move is listed on Dolph Ziggler's moveset...but no where else. Either the move doesn't exist or the information regarding the move has to be in more than one place. If Ziggler's finisher isn't classified as a jumping russian legsweep, than what is it? --Oxico (talk) 00:36, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know but it is original research to call it that without a source, so it should be removed on sight per Wikipedia policy. Nikki♥311 00:48, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is...I don't have a reliable source for the claims either, but what would qualify as a reliable source for classification of a wrestling move, other than its appearance? --24.161.50.140 (talk) 23:53, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are articles, books, and interviews where wrestlers discuss moves...you just have to look. Plus, WWE Magazine describes finishing/signature moves of its wrestlers in every issue. Nikki♥311 00:25, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Driver

Someone deleted the driver section of this page. can someone please put it back up as I don't know all of the variations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.224.159.77 (talk) 22:04, 16 March 2009 (UTC) I deleted that section and listed all the moves under their respective articles (Piledriver, Brainbuster, Powerbomb) as it is more accurate to list piledrivers under piledriver article than under driver section. Same for other moves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Azihade (talk • contribs) 14:06, 17 March 2009 (UTC) O RLY? Because some of them don't look like powerbombs, piledrivers or brainbusters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.224.159.77 (talk) 16:11, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do you even know what a powerbomb, a piledriver or a brainbuster is? A piledriver is a move in which opponents head is driven to the mat (Usually between the wrestlers legs). Electric chair driver, samoan driver, michinoku driver. All of them end up like that. Brainbuster is a move where head is driven to the mat while front facelock is still applied. Death valley driver ends up that way. Tiger driver and blue thunder driver were already on powerbomb article under different names... I think I proved that I am right. So can this little quarrel end now? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Azihade (talk • contribs) 20:42, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I knew what brainbusters, piledrivers and powerbombs were before you posted your explanation.

Picture Description Wrong

The picture of Mr. Kennedy doing a body slam, the description is wrong. The description says:

"Mr. Kennedy executes a regular body slam (scoop slam) on Hardcore Holly."

But, that is not Hardcore Holly as Holly wears trunks not tights. Also, Holly's hair is blond and not brown. The description should be changed to the right wrestler being body slammed. I don't know who he is or I would change it. Mr. C.C. (talk) 07:54, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like someone changed the picture but not the caption. Neither Holly nor Kennedy are in that pic. I'll look through and see if I can revert it. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 11:08, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Electric Chair Drop and other missing

Some basic moves like the Electric Chair Drop are missing. Some article, like the doomsday device are linked to what must have been deleted. Can somebody add the moves, or tell people why they are missing or have been deleted?? 82.224.118.7 (talk) 09:20, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The move has been added, but there must be some still missing Jeangabin (talk) 09:45, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Revisions

On this article, I deleted throws which do not exist or do not have associated cites; the cites that were deleted were not reputable cites. Only throws that actually exist belong in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.51.250.212 (talk) 15:45, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On what basis did you decide that the throws did not exist? It seems that it is entirely your opinion that these throws did not exist. Starship.paint (talk) 08:49, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The hurricanrana driver exists, Wrestleview, a reliable wrestling source, mentions it here. The spine bomb is also known as the sitout spinebuster, and it is mentioned in Wrestleview, PWTorch and PWInsider and Slam! Wrestling. The spine bomb is also known as the Sky High and that is mentioned in many, many sources. The ranhei is also mentioned in PWInsider and Wrestleview. Since I have found reliable sources that confirm the very existence of these moves, I will be adding them back to the article. I will rename Spine Bomb to sitout spinebuster because that is the more common name. Starship.paint (talk) 09:14, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is not up to me to prove that a move doesn't exist. It is up to you to prove it does. As it says at the top of the page, the article has had citation issues for four years, and any uncited or unreliably cited may be removed. Theoretically, most of the information on this page could be removed for that reason. I removed the Leg Trap Spinebuster addition, which is not cited. The two sources you mentioned don't mention the hurricanrana driver, let alone describe it. The source for the sitout spinebuster just mentions the move, it doesn't say what it is, but I will let it slide. The Ranhei source is not reliable. It is a gossip side and Mike Tedesco is not a peer-reviewed author. Insider is a gossip and spyware site. Just because Google finds a page on the Internet with a word "Ranhei" doesn't mean that page can be used as a source. Again, a source must describe what the move is. It's not for you to write what you think it is. Notice that I have even said I will let some things slide here. Also, why is this the first time you have used the talk page, let alone edit summaries? Folgertat (talk) 15:21, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Look bro, the WP:PW project has determined that PWTorch, PWInsider, Wrestleview, SLAM! are all reliable sources, especially for TV/PPV results. And we are using TV/PPV results to source the existence of the moves. You remove the move because you say it doesn't exist, but I just proved they exist. The rana driver is mentioned in one Wrestleview source "then Suicide kicks Sabin sending him to his knees and Red flies in with a Hurricanrana Driver!" and the other Wrestleview source mentions "hurricanrana while R-Truth was still on his knees". The ranhei is also mentioned in Wrestling Observer. You want me to let stuff slide? Yeah, I'm letting leg trap spinebuster slide. Starship.paint (talk) 05:07, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Guys, first of all, "Ranhei" DOES exist, and you have to check Kofi Kingston's page or watch him in live events on WWE, in which he uses it as the "S.O.S". Also, for the "flip-over hurricanrana" which I've added myself and got removed by whichever person, was not mentioned by name; but it can be seen by various wrestlers like Rey Mysterio for example. And I also made sure that the move is to be described very clearly - also, it's very similar to a flip-over DDT, but instead of falling into a DDT, just backflipping into a hurricanrana, and I find the move very reasonable just to be removed. Leg trap spinebuster doesn't exist, actually - I've never seen a move which could either match the description or the name itself. At least Ranhei and flip-over hurricanrana have been seen by different wrestlers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Francis Marks (talk • contribs) 17:04, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As stated, wrestleview does not meet Wikipedia's reliability standards. Even beyond that, most of the wrestleview sources you included do not describe the moves. http://www.wrestleview.com/viewnews.php?id=1241149052 does not describe what a rana driver is. The other source says "Bourne kicks him and hits a hurricanrana while R-Truth was still on his knees." It does not even mention the rana driver term. That description could describe any move, for all anyone may know. http://www.wrestleview.com/viewnews.php?id=1294457735 does not describe what a ranhei is. I repeat - "Just because Google finds a page on the Internet with a word "Ranhei" doesn't mean that page can be used as a source." The F4wonline source doesn't describe a ranhei.

An old discussion I read the other day (I can't find it now for the life of me, but it was on Administrators Noticeboard or something like that) came to the overwhelming conclusion among a few different uninvolved people that pwinsider is not a reliable source. What was not mentioned there is also that it is a spyware site that assaults the reader with things like popups as soon as they go to it. Pwinsider also reported that Dean Malenko would be returning to the ring in Mexico around 2006, among other wholly erroneous stories. If they don't check their facts on a headline story like that, there is no guarantee that they check their facts on lesser stories like the ones being cited. Beyond that, it does not meet Wikipedia's reliability standards. F4wonline, Pwtorch, and Slam may well meet the standard. I am not sure.

Also, you did not answer my question of why you originally did not use edit summaries or the talk page. Folgertat (talk) 16:13, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Look, the WP:PW realm has determined the reliability of all the sites I have mentioned for TV and PPV results. Wrestling moves are neither rumours nor speculation. PWInsider might have been a spyware page in the past but it seems to have cleaned up it's act now, therefore it works as a reliable source for TV/PPV results. The wrestling moves are determined by TV/PPV results, therefore they are able to be sourced from there. It has been proven that these moves exist. I did not use summaries or the talk page in the past because I did not see the need to.

I am providing more sources for the ranhei which has actual descriptions (rolling legsweep into cradle). For the hurricanrana driver, I have found PWTorch sources reporting on the same two shows that the Wrestleview sources reported, they describe the rana driver explicitly. "He hits a sitting Hurricanrana that spikes Kurt's head into the mat" and "He hits a Seated Hurricanrana on Sabin,"Starship.paint (talk) 13:11, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Removed variations which do not exist or do not have associated cites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Folgertat (talk • contribs) 17:32, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Headlock Driver

The headlock driver is not the accurate name because it is described as a variation of a DDT or spike DDT. Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 03:12, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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