Talk:List of fictional prime ministers of the United Kingdom

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This article was nominated for deletion on 3/1/2007. The result of the discussion was keep.

Jim Hacker

I've deleted: "(given the time of its making and the policies seen in action, Conservative is a safe assumption)"
Many of the policies rule out the Conservative Party, as do some key elements of the party structure. I'd say the safest bet was the Liberals, but part of the point is that it's unspecified. -- Gregg 13:32, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

New PM in Doctor Who?

In Doctor Who episode World War Three... {{spoilers}} ...we're told that Harriet Jones MP is going to be the next Prime Minister and lead Britain into a Golden Age. However, we don't actually see it happen. Should she be on the list or not? Also another character is "acting PM" for most of the story, and I'm not sure if that counts either. Daibhid C 19:48, 23 April 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say both of those count. If List of fictional U.S. Presidents can include someone who was only president in a dream sequence, then I'm sure acting and named future PMs can go here. Kinitawowi 22:29, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

Format

Wouldn't it be better if the article was separated into different sections, books, comics, films, etc? JW 15:01, 11 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

First Among Equals

Simon Kerslake was not Prime Minister in First Among Equals by Jeffrey Archer. The whole plot revolves around which of four men - Kerslake, Raymond Gould, Charles Sinclair and Andrew Fraser would make it to Number 10. Kerslake and Gould eventually become leaders of their respective parties and fight an inconclusive election, giving the balance of power to the third party, led by Fraser. In the last sentence of the book, we learn that the newly-crowned King Charles III has summoned Kerslake to the Palace "in order to hear in person why I have chosen Mr Raymond Gould to be my first Prime Minister."—Preceding unsigned comment added by Plinford (talk • contribs)

The UK and US editions of the book had different conclusions. Fluffy the Cotton Fish 00:07, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Harriet Jones

Would it be unfair to assume that Harriet Jones is a Labour MP. It's unspecified, but Doctor Who (other than the aliens, obviously) is meant to be set in the "real world" and in 2006 that would be Labour. HornetMike 21:48, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that would be unfair, as that is original research. Beeblbrox (talk) 10:06, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Page incomplete

Is it really worth having a note to say that the page is incomplete? I could make up a Prime Minister right now, say one named "Jolly Roger", and that would be a fictional PM not on the list. Cwbr77 (talk) 21:12, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Sir Abraham Lincoln

Are there any sources for this? There are no links and searching for the book reveals nothing at all.Martilito (talk) 19:46, 29 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jeremy Thorpe in the Green Death

Technically I am not sure that Jeremy Thorpe's entry here stands up. The Prime Minister in the Doctor Who story the The Green Death is simply identified as "Jeremy" and no second name is given. The production team did later say it was a joke intended to imply Thorpe could become Prime Minister, but this is not confirmed on screen or in the novelization. He could just as easily be a fictitious Conservative or Labour PM called Jeremy. Dunarc (talk) 22:50, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I would also note this entry is also in the "Unnamed" section under "First name "Jeremy"" - one of these needs to go. My suggestion would be to remove Thorpe and mention in the "First name "Jeremy"" section that Jeremy Thorpe was Liberal leader at the time, particularly if someone can find a reference for the production teams comments about it. Dunarc (talk) 20:35, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

George Grenville

The "Real people with a fictional premiership" section includes George Grenville stating that "In The Two Georges, co-authored by Harry Turtledove and Richard Dreyfuss, George Grenville is mentioned as never having become Prime Minister". This would seem to suggest he did not have a fictional premiership in that book, so should not be on this list unless I am missing something. Dunarc (talk) 22:51, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Link for referencing

I've overhauled the unsourced list into a sourced one using a few reliable sources. There is a lot of good content in the unsourced list that should be reviewed and restored with a source indicating its relevance. See link here. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 13:02, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Are you joking?

With this article, Wikipedia has hit a new low in trivial encyclopaedic achievement... Good going. Stevenmitchell (talk) 17:54, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Stevenmitchell, you're violating WP:AGF. Good going. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 22:26, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That is not true. You should be able to comprehend the first paragraph of WP:AGF, no? "Assuming good faith does not prohibit discussion and criticism. Rather, editors should not attribute the actions being criticized to malice unless there is specific evidence of such." I don't consider the creators of this article as having done so out of any particular malice. My criticism (and that is all that it is) originates from the idea of what an encyclopaedia should and should not consist of. Many articles on Wikipedia of a serious nature are denied on Wikipedia by editors (possibly some of the same as here) who are not familiar with human history, and in its stead add articles such as this, while simultaneously denying other articles of intelligent construction. I just think that an article such as this, while Wikipedia denies other articles of factual caliber, makes a complete mockery of Wikipedia, and lowers the standards of Wikipedia as a legitimate source of information... Stevenmitchell (talk) 23:51, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You waste words. See toilet paper orientation. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 06:11, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Additions

DavidCane, please add secondary sources for your additions. This list was nominated for deletion before because it had unsourced listings. Listings should henceforth be noted by secondary sources to indicate their relevance outside of the primary sources themselves. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 15:44, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed unsourced listings from this list as seen here. They can be restored with secondary sources if they exist. The existence of a character in general is not enough. The character may not be noteworthy by anyone outside of Wikipedia, or even the work itself may not be noteworthy. A secondary source helps the list avoid indiscriminate entries. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 14:48, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion of Alan B'Stard - was he actually ever depicted as Prime Minister

Although Alan B'Stard is named as a fictional UK Prime Minister in the sources cited, technically the character never became Prime Minister. In the final episode of the The New Statesman his new party does win an election, but it is pointed out he cannot become PM as he did not bother to contest a seat. Instead he says he will be Lord Protector, though we do not see him confirmed in this title. Also later works featuring the character largely seem to ignore this episode - notable the 1994 special "A B'Stard Exposed" and the stage play in the 2000s. The fictional obituary that his creators Laurence Marks and Maurice Gran produced in 2014, does not indicate that he was ever Prime Minister. It could be argued that the NOtoAV referendum broadcast he featured in shows him becoming PM, but it is debatable if this counts. Dunarc (talk) 19:00, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Adam Sutler - High Chancellor rather than Prime Minister?

Was he actually ever Prime Minister - my memory in the film is that he is only shown to be High Chancellor, a fictitious post that is implied to have superseded the role of both Prime Minister and monarch. Not saying that he should not be included, but if this is the case perhaps his title should be mentioned for clarity? Dunarc (talk) 21:03, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]