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Did they exist or not?

This article should make it more clear wherever they were real or not, the article is currently extremely vague about this crucial part. 189.201.36.86 (talk) 16:09, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The first sentence says "according to the creation myth..." A myth is something for which there is no concrete evidence. The simplest thing to say is that we have no evidence they existed. HiLo48 (talk) 03:59, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Check the definition of Myth.CycoMa1 (talk) 04:04, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Theistic Evolution and Species Debate Edit Request

Some Christian believers in theistic evolution have argued that Adam and Eve may not have been H. sapiens. For example, philosopher and Christian apologist William Lane Craig has argued that Adam and Eve were Homo heidelbergensis. I think this article should add some information about this topic. TheYamsAreRipe (talk) 13:33, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Humans are great apes. Our ape ancestors were never less than one thousand individuals, at any given time. So, it is preposterous to speak of humans originating in one man and one woman, heidelbergensis or not. tgeorgescu (talk) 13:45, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Among believers in theistic evolution, many believe that the descendants of Adam and Eve interbred with hominids not descended from Adam and Eve.

In any case, this is an article about religious belief, and I'd argue that positions of religious scholars that gain enough prominence should be mentioned regardless of whether they are scientifically supported. TheYamsAreRipe (talk) 14:05, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We do render church dogmas for what they are. What Craig says isn't dogma of any church. tgeorgescu (talk) 14:48, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What year was Eve born I know Adam was born on day 6 just what eve?

Please Help 2600:1700:A40:B270:4911:6EF9:B9EE:F3DC (talk) 12:20, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The 6th day of the same year. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:29, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Punished, not Cursed

"God curses all three, the man to a lifetime of hard labour followed by death, the woman to the pain of childbirth and to subordination to her husband, and the serpent to go on his belly and suffer the enmity of both man and woman"

In the Biblical story the curses were given the the serpent (Gen 3:14), and the ground (Gen 3:17). It is noted that Adam ad Eve face certain punishments, but they themselves are not cursed by God.

I also found the above quote from the article to not be supported by the source given. Thoughts on this? XZealous (talk) 06:37, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]