Talk:Sea of Azov

Fishermen catch "alien" in Sea of Azov

Looks fairly fishlike to me; still amusing. I hope we'll finally get that IRL X-COM squad now: http://english.pravda.ru/science/mysteries/07-02-2007/87167-alien_monster-0 - Zelaron 14:07, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Azov Campaigns?

How come no mention of Azov Campaigns?

Be Bold. Mention them. --King Hildebrand 18:19, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Atlantis in the Sea of Azov

Plato’s writings report that the Island of Atlantis was not an island in the open sea; it was created by the ancient Atlanteans by excavating an incredible ditch around a fertile plain, located north of a great sea, and surrounded by a boundless continent, circa 11,600 BP. A massive earthquake caused the island to sink, creating a new sea which, according to Eagle/Wind-Atlantis Research Team, is the Sea of Azov. The violent earthquakes and floods left the new sea “impassable and impenetrable, because there is a shoal of mud in the way.” The Sea of Azov was blocked by shoals of mud at that time, and would still be today without regular dredging. Eagle/Wind locates the Island of Atlantis beneath the Sea of Azov and on the adjacent fertile plains to the west in Ukraine and to the east in Krasnodar Kray, Russia. Their research is based on tectonic evidence of a massive earthquake centered at Kerch, in the late Pleistocene/early Holocene and evidence of a great flood at the end of the Younger Dryas ice age, in 11,600 BP. This date corresponds exactly with the date set by an aged Egyptian priest for the destruction of Atlantis, as recorded in The Dialogues by Plato.

References: Climate Science: Investigating Climatic and Environmental Processes, Abrupt Climate Change: http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/paleo/ctl/abrupt.html Manifestations of young tectonic activity in the southern Azov and Kerch fault zones (Crimea), A. A. Nikonov Joint Institute of Physics of the Earth, Russian Academy of Sciences, Moscow. GEOTECTONICS, English Translation, VOL. 28, NO. 5, APRIL 1995, Russian Edition: SEPTEMBER-OCTOBER 1994. http://eos.wdcb.rssi.ru/transl/geot/9405/pap02.htm LATE GLACIAL GREAT FLOOD IN THE BLACK SEA AND CASPIAN SEA, TCHEPALYGA, Andrey, Institute of Geography, Russian Academy of Science, 29, Staromonetniy per, Moscow 109017 Russia. http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2003AM/finalprogram/abstract_63243.htm THE ALTAI FLOOD. Keenan Lee, 4 October 2004. http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:LV1I2rbyQJEJ:www.mines.edu/academic/geology/faculty/klee/altai.doc&hl=en VULNERABILITY TO EARTHQUAKES IN UKRAINE, I.I.Rokityansky, Institute of Geophysics, Ukraine. http://www.iiasa.ac.at/Research/RMS/july2000/Papers/absroki.pdf Map of Kerch faults. East Oil Company, http://www.eastoil.com/graphics/11az.jpg

could somebody put this in the article? and, person who wrote this, please sign your posts. Sompm (talk) 17:49, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Sea of Azov dying article

The article below says "reprinted by permission", but do we in fact have permission? Even if we do, is this the article we want? Vicki Rosenzweig [moved text begins below] Washington, 19 June 2001 (RFE/RL)

-- The Sea of Azov is dying, but none of the prescriptions being recommended by experts politically possible.

                          Russian scholars told a
                          Moscow newspaper last week
                          that the Sea of Azov in
                          southern Russia is now at the
                          point of catastrophe. The
                          amount of water flowing into
                          the sea has declined by 15
                          cubic kilometers over the last
                          40 years, the salinity of its
                          waters has increased by
                          three percent, and the
                          amount of petroleum and heavy metal pollution
                          has increased as well, with large amounts of
                          radioactive materials now being recorded. 

                          As a result, the scholars told "Vremya MN" that
                          the sea's formerly rich biological diversity is
                          being destroyed. Commercial fishing yields
                          have fallen 97 percent since the 1970s, and
                          many unique species have become extinct. If
                          current trends continue, the Sea of Azov will
                          become yet another dead sea, a body of water
                          that cannot support either life within it or the
                          lives of the people who live around it. 

                          According to the scholars that work at the Azov
                          Fisheries Research Institute, people and
                          governments have long known what was
                          happening but have been unable or unwilling to
                          do something about it. More than 20 years ago,
                          scholars there and in Moscow developed a
                          mathematical model of the Sea of Azov, one
                          that accurately predicted both what would
                          happen to the sea and what human beings
                          needed to do to save it. 

                          According to the newspaper, several steps
                          must be taken now if this body of water is to
                          avoid a premature death. Commercial fishing
                          should be prohibited for about 20 years, and
                          poaching prevented. Moreover, the
                          government must insist that any industrial
                          waste being discharged into the sea be
                          processed so as not to harm the environment.
                          Shipping must also be reduced, and any oil and
                          gas exploration and processing simply banned. 

                          But as the paper notes, "everyone
                          understands that the realization of such plans
                          is unrealistic." No one is going to be willing to
                          stop the construction of a major terminal on
                          the Sea of Azov or close the existing Taganrog
                          port. For even the minimal steps, such as
                          cleaning industrial discharge, "there are no
                          means," the experts said. And because of the
                          economic hardships the region is suffering,
                          there is little willingness to crack down hard on
                          poaching. 

                          As a result, the experts told the paper, about
                          the only thing the Russian government can be
                          expected to do is to control and regulate the
                          amount of fish harvested each year and try to
                          save a few of the species now threatened with
                          extinction. Such steps will not save the sea, but
                          they may prolong its life for a few additional
                          years. 

                          The sad fate of the Sea of Azov is especially
                          disturbing because of the matter-of-fact way
                          the newspaper reports it. Many people have
                          been agitated for a long time about the
                          pollution of Lake Baikal in Siberia and about the
                          drying up of the Aral Sea in Central Asia.
                          Indeed, both of these developments have
                          helped to power environmental and even
                          political movements. 

                          But the Sea of Azov has not attracted equal
                          attention or generated an analogous political
                          response. Instead, a small group of scholars
                          has complained to a single newspaper, and
                          both the scholars and the newspaper seem
                          convinced that Moscow does not have the
                          necessary funds to act and that nothing is likely
                          to be done. 

                          Given Russia's various problems, they may be
                          right. But the problems in the Sea of Azov are
                          likely to have an impact on other countries as
                          well. The Sea of Azov drains into the Black Sea,
                          and consequently, its problems are likely to
                          become problems for that larger body of
                          water, affecting fishing and commerce for all
                          the littoral states. And because the Black Sea
                          connects to the Mediterranean, its problems
                          can in turn affect an enormous area. 

                          Fifty years ago, few thought that the drying up
                          of the Aral Sea would happen or would matter.
                          Now, as the body of water approaches its end,
                          the disappearance of the Aral is affecting the
                          health of people across Central Asia and
                          weather around the entire northern
                          hemisphere. 

                          Now, as the article in the Moscow newspaper
                          last week makes clear, few people seem to
                          care about the fate of the Sea of Azov. But the
                          problems the newspaper describes strongly
                          suggest that the impact of the death of that
                          sea will be seen far sooner than 50 years from
                          now. 

                          By Paul Goble. Copyright (c) 2001. RFE/RL,
                          Inc. Reprinted with the permission of Radio
                          Free Europe/Radio Liberty, 1201 Connecticut
                          Ave., N.W. Washington DC 20036.
                          www.rferl.org

[end material moved from article page]

Tides??

The landlocked Mediterranean is virtually tideless. It is around 4000 km long, and has a volume of about 4 million km³. Its connection to the oceans of the world is only 14 km wide.

Connected to the Mediterranean by a channel only 1 km wide is the Black Sea. It is a quarter of the length and a twentieth of the volume of the Med. It has effectively no tides.

Connected to the Black sea by a channel 4 km wide is the Sea of Azov. It is 340 km long and has a volume of only 400 km³. Its maximum depth is only 15 metres, and most of it is less than 10 metres deep. Whence come these phenomenal 5m tides?

For comparison, the world record tides in the Bay of Fundy are only three times this magnitude, while the mid ocean maximum is less than a metre.--King Hildebrand 18:44, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I have now commented out the reference to 5-metre tides. I don't know that they don't exist, and I don't want to upset anyone. But I can't see how the tidal action of moon and sun could pile up so little water so high. It must deserve an article of its own as the steepest natural slope on the surface of any body of water with no net flow in the world. Perhaps people go there from all over for unpowered water skiing? Maybe there is a strong wind effect occasionally that blows all the water up to one end? Maybe the 5 metres is measured horizontally on the beach, not vertically. I simply don't know. If I'm wrong, please get in touch!--King Hildebrand 15:10, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I've now replaced "5-metre tides" with a definitive reference from the United States Hydrographic Office, based on actual tide-gauge readings. The old reference was copied accurately from the source work, but as I understand it the source work now includes some user-generated content from "Britannica Knowledge Experts". It's definitely wrong in this instance!--217.155.32.221 (talk) 16:52, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

A Google search for "Britannica Knowledge Experts" doesn't turn up much. I wonder if it is extinct. If so, your finding suggests why. Dgndenver (talk) 12:25, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Geology and bathymetry

The math doesn't work with respect to inflows and outflows as the article is currently expressed.

• +38.6 km^3 => River inflow
• +15.5 km^3 => Precipitation
• -34.6 km^3 => Evaporation
• +37 km^3 => inflow from Black Sea (+/- 1)
• -54 km^3 => outflow to Black Sea (+/- 1)

Total: +2.5 km^3 [+/- 2 km^3]

This indicates a net inflow. The 17 km^3 net outflow comment is probably strictly with reference to the Black Sea itself and would seem to discount the other sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.16.215.129 (talk) 17:00, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Corrected. Thank you. 17 km3 was supposed to mean outflow of fresh water to the Black Sea, not the total water balance. Materialscientist (talk) 23:30, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

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The shallowest sea in the world is Lake Neusiedl

Not sure about your definition of shallow, but Lake Neusiedl is no more than 1.8 m (5 ft 11 in) deep. It's no tiny little lake, it's 36 km long and covers 315 square kilometers and it is the largest endorheic lake in Central Europe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Neusiedl — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.128.188.61 (talk) 16:59, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

It might be a big lake, but it's not a sea. Bazonka (talk) 15:20, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

"Temarinda"

Where is the name "Temarinda" attested? It's not in Pliny's Naturalis Historia, here's what Pliny wrote about Maeotians and the Sea of Azov:

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0137%3Abook%3D4%3Achapter%3D24

77.234.148.154 (talk) 13:52, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

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It's at VI.20, not VI.7.

"Maeotim Temarundam, quo significant matrem maris."

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The discrepancy comes about because of rival numbering systems in different editions of Pliny: both can be seen here: https://ryanfb.github.io/loebolus-data/L352.pdf and http://www.poesialatina.it/_ns/ProsaLat/PlinSen/NH06.html (section 20 in the Arabic numerals; section VII in the Roman). VI.20 would be more commonly used these days, because it's more specific. In English, "...the Sea of Azov [is called] the Temarunda, which means in their language 'the mother of the sea'" (tr. H. Rackham, Loeb Classical Library). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:2231:3260:F03E:7E47:2A5D:4CFE (talk) 21:49, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Problem on Sea of Azov page

Brand new here, so sorry if I'm violating conventions...

In the introduction, the following erroneous text exists:

"The Sea of Azov is the shallowest sea in the world, with the depth varying between 0.9 and 1.4 feet"

This clearly contradicts other sections of the article with mentions an average depth of 7 meters.

I was curious how one would wage a naval campaign in 27 to 43 cm of water. :-)

pseudo-ethimology

premise: I cannot access ref.11, otherwise I had not written this.

From the article Azov (city), I read that the Kipchaks seized the area in 1067. This suggests that the prince Asuf was killed "in TAKING THIS city" rather than "in DEFENDING HIS city" -- really, what started my doubts is that rarely the cities are named after the defeated side (and a resistance against a local counter-attack does not seem probable). In any case, he was an invader and thus the city was not HIS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.29.59.56 (talk) 08:13, 22 May 2022 (UTC)