Talk:Van 't Kruijs Opening

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Also Van't Kruys... Really? From a Dutch POV, this is a blatant misspelling ("van 't Kruys", mind the space, is plausible given the multiple ways of spelling the IJ even in Dutch, but not without the space). If English really uses this a lot, it's of course worth a mention... but since the opening was named after van 't Kruijs, I'm sceptical. JRM · Talk 21:20, 2005 May 18 (UTC)

It is spelled "Van't Kruys" in at least two books I checked - MCO 10 & 12 and "Chess Openings" Theory and Practice" by Horowitz. Granted, it may be wrong, but some books use it. Bubba73

Ugh. Horrible. Unfortunately we can't devote a significant part of the article to how repugnantly wrong this is... The 't is not a clitic. Oh well. When in Rome... JRM · Talk 23:20, 2005 May 18 (UTC)

It is also that way in "500 Master Games of Chess" by Tartakover and Du Mont (no space after "Van"). We Americans don't know much about European things, but it is that way in those 3 books (2 editions of one of them), and I double checked and there was no space where it should be. Note that these are older books (23+ years). The opening isn't listed in MCO 13 and I don't have MCO 14. Bubba73

It is fine to move pages, but remember to fix any double redirects made in the process. Sjakkalle 06:31, 19 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure there were none at the time I moved it, only single redirects. Granted, I was too lazy to go and fix all of those. JRM · Talk 08:11, 2005 May 19 (UTC)

@Sjakkalle and JRM: I'm digging up a really old thread, as this mysterious space is bothering me. Is it true that this page should be moved to not have the space? And one would just have to remove the double redirects from Pages that link to "Van 't Kruijs Opening"? I would be happy to carry this task out, but want to verify that the space is incorrect. - Paul2520 (talk) 09:11, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Reversed Dutch Defense

"Although not very aggressive for a first move, play may transpose to lines of...reversed Dutch Defence (f2-f4) positions." Would it be more accurate to call this Bird's Opening? Dynzmoar (talk) 18:19, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Maarten van 't Kruijs birth year

An anon changed Maarten van 't Kruijs birth year from 1811 to 1813. I just double checked Oxford Companion to Chess and it says 1811. That's the source I originally used for the date, but the same anon fixed a date I botched in Hungarian Defense that I had copied incorrectly from the same source, so I'm not sure. Does anyone know for sure? Quale 20:13, 3 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know for sure, but this Dutch chess website says 1813. Kripkenstein _{τ κ}

Removal

I just removed this text from the article:

This opening is beginning to age. After 1. e3 f5! 2. d4 Nf6, Black is in a Dutch Defense where White's e3 is not a really helpful move, and so forth virtually wastes a tempo.

Basically, my reasoning is mostly that this is original research - I can't find any reliable sources stating that f5 is a strong response to e3, although it very well may be. But there's also no compulsion on white to play d4 on move 2, and even if they do, e3 could still be a helpful move if white hopes to reach, for example, the Stonewall Attack. And what exactly is "beginning to age" meant to mean in this context? If someone wants to have a go at rewriting with support from sources, go for it. Alzarian16 (talk) 15:13, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 17:39, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling error in the title

Somebody please change the title, because this is completely ridiculous. It's 'Van 't Kruijs' not 'Van't'. The ''t' is short for 'het', in English 'the'. Spelling it like 'Van't Kruijs' is simply wrong. 213.124.174.59 (talk) 17:19, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I requested the fix yesterday, and it was done. Double sharp (talk) 04:30, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Other Lines?

Hi, can the mention of 1.e3 possibly turning into a reversed Nimzo-Indian with 2.b3 be included? I am new to editing Wikipedia so not really sure how things work yet. Thanks 8R4 (talk) 19:00, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]