Talk:Beyoncé

Semi-protected edit request on 22 June 2024

Change the photo 82.47.112.38 (talk) 15:15, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: What photo do you propose? It will need to be something freely licensed. RudolfRed (talk) 16:37, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Um shouldn’t soul funk and disco be included in genres instead of country she only made one country album 99.228.59.174 (talk) 17:15, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Genre change

Her genres should be R&B pop soul funk dance 99.228.59.174 (talk) 14:27, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Father

Is her dad called Mathew or Matthew? The article uses both spellings at random. Zxly (talk) 03:40, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Lemonade

Can we add in the lead that lemonade was the best selling album(in the world) in 2016 and is since rated one of the greatest albums. Also can we add in the lead that her debut album dangerously in love was one of the best selling in the 21st century. See Eminem or Christina Aguilera or Mariah Carey leads as an example. They all state if their albums were the best selling. 80.249.61.74 (talk) 13:52, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Birth name controversy: Beyoncé vs. Beyonce (accent vs. no accent)

I'm hoping to build consensus on whether and how to handle Beyoncé's birth name, specifically whether or not to include the accented final é. I am not seeking to relitigate whether to use the é in the article title or throughout the article nor which name to use as the article title and in the lead. These are settled questions and I agree with the way these are handled.

The info box lists Beyoncé's birth name as Beyonce Giselle Knowles, without the acute accent on the é at the end of her name. This is repeated in the early life section. The note offered as support for omitting the accent states: Naming laws in Texas do not allow accented characters (é). The linked article, Naming in the United States makes no mention of Texas. The relevant section of the Naming article only mentions California's prohibition on accents and other diacritics and then mentions a few states that do permit them. I see the issue has been raised here and here but there was not actually much discussion.

The second Talk page entry I linked states Naming laws in Texas do not allow accents in birth names. The linked Houston Chronicle article, from 2017, does state the following:

Letters of the alphabet, as printed on Texas documents like birth certificates and driver licenses, do not contain any extra symbols known as "diacritical marks," including accents, tildes, graves, umlauts and cedillas.

And then later goes on to say:

While existing state law doesn't prohibit including these marks on documents, it does not mandate adoption of software that would make their inclusion possible.

The Houston Chronicle and Naming articles are at best consistent with the assertion that unaccented Beyonce is what appears on her birth certificate, but this is hardly conclusive. Some legal documents and databases use all caps; does that mandate we style her birth name BEYONCE GISELLE KNOWLES? At present, the selective use of Beyonce looks odd and the support provided for this editorial decision is thin. (I would note that even if we did have a copy of her birth certificate, it would likely be considered inappropriate support per WP:BLPPRIMARY and MOS:FIRSTBIO.)

This warrants discussion, in accordance with general Wikipedia standards and because there is significant interest in Beyoncé's name, as evidenced by many discussions about various aspects of her name in the Talk page archives. (The two 'discussions' I linked where the only ones I found that specifically addressed the birth name, but here are many others addressing other issues with her name and what to name the article.)

I have looked around for guidance and so far have found none that addresses this particular issue. I have consulted MOS:NAME, including the subsection MOS:BIRTHNAME and these do not get to the issue at hand. Other guidance on name changes and maiden names is similarly not applicable to the question at hand. There is very little guidance at Template:Infobox_person. It says to include a birth_name only if different from the name. There are lots of discussions about what constitutes a material "difference" on the Talk page. I did not see the accent issue addressed, but the archive is voluminous.

I looked at the List of people from Texas for names with é. The typical practice is to either include the accented é in the birth_name parameter or to make no specific mention of the birth name. See below. (There were several people on the list who were born outside of Texas and I did not include them in my review. I did not look at other common forms like á and ñ.)

Birth name accented:
• Terra Jolé
• Renée Zellweger
• Flaco Jiménez
• Brené Brown
• Chris Pérez

Birth name not listed in Infobox or Early life section:
• Renée Elise Goldsberry
• Santiago Jiménez Jr.
• André Roberson
• Luis Jiménez (sculptor)

Unaccented name used:
• Maïté Schwartz (diacritics are omitted throughout the article)

Many reliable sources state that she was born Beyoncé Giselle Knowles, including Britannica and a different Houston Chronicle article than the one offered as support for omitting the é. My preference would be to use the é in her birth name. An alternative approach is leave her birth name out entirely. This would be better than having a poorly sourced, contentious styling that conflicts with the rest of the article, as we do currently. However, I am open to other perspectives and again, given the interest in what her "real" name is, I concede there may be encyclopedic value in addressing this in the article, with appropriate consensus and references. MYCETEAE - talk 21:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC)