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Major review

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There has been a discussion on talk:change ringing about the whole set of bells-related pages. At the moment there is a lot of duplication and little structure. The proposal was that this article be developed into a master article with extensive hat notes to the individual pages. I suggested the following structure:

Campanology

  • History
  • Lists (largest, oldest etc)
  • Bells
    • forms and materials
    • tuning
    • hanging
  • Structures
    • Integral towers
    • campaniles
    • bell cotes (and small gables)
    • (large) bell gables
    • clocks
  • Ringing (bells)
    • change ringing
      • Call changes
      • Methods and principles
        • Are individual methods worthy of note?
    • Veronese
    • Carillon (inc Ellacombe)
    • handbells
    • Percussion section ("cow bells")
  • Organisations
    • CCCBR (inc RW, use a redirect)

The current structure would need adapting as follows:

  • Shape and tuning - Merge the detail of this with Bell, leave a summary here and use a hat note.
  • Carillons - Move into carillon and summarize in Ringing (bells), hat notes to and from both.
  • Chimes - Merge this information and that in Chime (bell instrument) into carillon. Make Chime (bell instrument)as a redirect.
  • Russian Orthodox bells - keep as is, put into a section under "Ringing"
  • Change ringing - Merge into Change Ringing, keep a summary here.
    • Method ringing - Move to a subpage of Change Ringing
    • Numbers - Move to a subpage of Change Ringing
    • Gamelan - summarize, merge details into gamelan.
  • Other types of ringing use to inform the above structure.
  • Bell Organizations - move to a list to avoid repetition on the various pages.

This is a pretty big change, input would be appreciated. Can we have a discussion over the next week with an aim for consensus by Sunday 8 May please. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 23:04, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agree that there should some structure to all this. There are problems of patchy coverage, personal notions, lack of cross-referencing, lots of duplication, etc.

A fundamental point is that Campanology itself will have to be correctly defined with references. Is it the ringing of bells? (ref several major dictionaries).

Collins - the art or skill of ringing bells musically Cambridge dictionary - the ​art or ​skill of ​ringing ​church ​bells

Or the study of bells? - which some such as the Free dictionary and the Merriam Webster, and the CCCBR say it is. CCCBR - "Campanology - Study of the history, art and science of making and ringing bells." But campanology is not actually ringing them? - just the study of ringing them?

Perhaps the meaning was always the study of bells, but in UK became to mean bell ringing. (because of quiz programmes?)

Suggested form below, which uses bell as the main article from which all others flow.

Think the headings in Bell or campanology are very important, and from this the rest will flow. Shown below as "-" for main article heading rank and Asterix for sub-pages also.

  • Campanology or * Bell
  • -Bell definition
  • - History
  • -- Swinging bells
  • --- Limited swing (poor control)
  • --- Full circle ringing (full control)
  • -- stationary bells
  • --- Clock bells
  • --- Carillon
  • - *Bell structures
  • --*Bell towers (campaniles)
  • -- bell gables
  • -- Clock towers
  • -- Mini-rings
  • - *Handbells
  • -- ceremonial and ritual
  • -- Tune ringing
  • -- Change ringing
  • - Melodic bells (Designed to create a melody)
  • -- Orchestral-
  • - Other bells; "cow bells", warning bell
  • - Bell construction
  • -- Materials
  • -- design
  • -- tuning
  • - Ringing techniques
  • - Full-circle technique
  • --*Veronese Ringing
  • --*Change ringing
  • -- Call changes
  • -- Method ringing
  • -- History and development
  • -Organisations
  • --CCCBR (inc RW, use a redirect)* Structures for Bells
  • Lists of notable bells(largest, oldest etc)


All up for discussion of course Dougsim (talk) 21:54, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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