Talk:List of Iranians

Sasha Baron Choen

Why does someone keep deleting Sasha Baron Cohen from this page? His mother is Iranian. Is there something that I am unaware of? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.209.98 (talk) 03:38, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Sasha Baron Cohen is not Iranian and neither was his mother. Jooojay (talk) 04:24, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Americans?

Why is Annemarie Schimmel listed as an American? The main article on her says she is German.

E.G. Browne was also on this list previously, listed as E.G. Browne (British)!

Is everyone from the west considered to be American? This is a bit strange isn't it?

Could the list title be amended to 'Famous Westerners in Iran?' or at least, if the title remains, it should be restricted to Americans.

Trivial persons?

Please stop adding every trivial person to this list. If all nationalities wanted to do this, Wikipedia's database would be a monumental repository of useless trivial data. Iran has plenty of pesonalities in its long history in various categories who deserve a fair article in an encyclopedia; but please let's avoid creating a long list of every insignificant Iranian who just happens to have some fame.    --K1 06:44, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Please give examples of the persons you are objecting to. The only people I may have some objections to, are the new electronic music people. The political people, I really believe are necessary, because of the very short memory of the Iranians who forget where someone is coming from. Anyway, if you believe someone doesn't deserve to have an article, request that at the request for deletions page. This, is just a list of those who have an article and those someone thinks they should. Roozbeh 08:31, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

On many occassions it has been said that Wikipedia's space is pretty much unlimited, so the argument "useless trivial data" does not hold - what is trivial to you might be improtant to me or others. Also over half of teh persons mentioned already have an article - I think Roozbeh is doing a brilliant job. Let him get on with it. Refdoc 23:44, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

If you want to eliminate trivial people from this list, you should try eliminating all the Parsis that are on here. These people were more influential in India and Britain then Iran and they are not what we would call modern-day Iranian Persians. They are Old Persian descent.

You're right, Parsis are closer to Ancient Persians but, otherwise, alot more Indian than Iranian. They dont even speak Persian, they speak Gujarati. I'm a Parsi, I would know this -Daruwalla Homey

For that matter, eleminate Freddie Mercury, Rohinton Mistry, Zubin Mehta and every other Parsi. Not just the first one. The others are still there. -Farsheed

The Elamite Dynasties are part of a time when Iran did not exist, there were no Iranians in Iran, and have nothing to do with Iran. They belong to Elam, an indigenous cultural area in the southwestern portion of modern Iran. Their language is Elamite (not related to Indo-European in any way). I agree that it should be removed from any Iran pages unless there is a specific article on pre-Iranian civilizations or Ancient Iran History article.

Herodotus calls Medes as Aryans (Iranians) and lists the six tribes of Medes (I, 101). Any Mede would then be part of an article on Iranians and Iran. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.210.84.122 (talk) 09:32, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

The Iglehakid, the Shutrukid, and the Medes

The anonymous user at 69.105.224.30 is insisting on removing the Igehalkid and Shutrukid dynasties. These were really dynasties of the Elamite Empire, and not Persians. But again, the Medes were not Persians either. Persia started with the Achameneid. Any ideas?

To make sure the list is not lost, this is it:

Igehalkid dynasty

• Ige-Halki (c. 1350 - c. 1330 BCE)
• Pakhir-Ishshan (c. 1330 - c. 1310 BCE)
• Attar-Kittakh (c. 1310 - c. 1300 BCE)
• Khuman-Numena (c. 1300 - c. 1275 BCE)
• Untash-Naprisha (c. 1275 - c. 1240 BCE)
• Unpatar-Naprisha (c. 1240 - c. 1235 BCE)
• Kiddin-Khutran (c. 1235 - c. 1210 BCE)

Shutrukid Dynasty

• Khallutush-In-Shushinak (c. 1205 - c. 1185 BCE)
• Shutruk-Nahhunte (c. 1185 - c. 1155 BCE)
• Kutir-Nahhunte III (c. 1155 - c. 1150 BCE)
• Shilkhak-In-Shushinak (c. 1150 - c. 1120 BCE)
• Khutelutush-In-Shushinak (c. 1120 - c. 1110 BCE)
• Shilhana-Hamru-Lagamar (c. 1110 - 1100 BCE)

Roozbeh 00:56, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Elam is a constituent of Iran. Iran is a greater than just its Persian parts and hence a page on Iran and its history should also link to the non-Persian aspects. I would re-instate the lists. Refdoc 23:35, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I have reinstated the lists. I think any further deletions should be discussed on this page rather than just done only to be reverted immediately thereafter Refdoc 23:46, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Well, the title of the artile is List of Iranians. The ancient Elamites were not Iranians. Medes were Iranians. Nobody said it's a list of Persians. How did you come up with that? It's a list of Iranians, and if it has to go back to ancient history, still it doesn't change the fact that it should be a list of Iranian peoples. Of course we could go back to Adam and Eve, but in that case then why categorize as X or Y or Z? We would lump everyone under List of children of Adam and Eve. Last but not least, I find it mildly interesting that you on your own alter the article, and then instruct others to not change anything without first discussing it here. Do as I say, not as I do? --K1 03:39, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)

calm down, K1, It is really a matter of artifice to ascertain these were Iranians, those not, given that neither the Persians nor the Medians nor the Elamites held an Iranian passport or citizenship - all modern concepts... WRT to my reference to "Persia" this is in response to Roozbeh just above my note.

Also Elamite was one of the (several official languages of the Persian Empire, just as Susa was one of the capitals acc to the Elamite Empire article. Ancient Elam is mostly identical with the modern Iranian province of Kuzestan, though obviously extended occ far beyond. Elamite genes are most certainly still somewhere in the genetic make-up of the Iranian population and Elamite historical artefacts are valued treasures of Iranian history.

WRT my request not to alter but to discuss, you do seem to misunderstand me quite badly. It is Wikipedia policy to add rather than to delete to introduce NPOV etc, and to discuss major deletion. I did not alter but more or less reverted, while the guy Roozbeh had difficulties with, deleted without comment - and repeatedly so. I hope this clarifies my action Refdoc 15:08, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

BTW should one not mentian the Timurides? Refdoc 22:03, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Shariati

I removed Shariati from journalists not because of duplication, but because he has never been a jounalist. Ehsan 18:23, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Sorry then. If you're sure Shariati has not been a journalist, please remove him again. Roozbeh 21:03, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Conformance with other pages

I would suggest to reconstruct this page in a modular way, so that when someone changes the list in Persian literature for example, it changes here as well. Maybe by just giving links to proper pages or ... Mtdashti 11:55, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Football or Soccer

I believe we should use soccer player instead of football player, since the former is informative about what kind of football they play. User:Sina seems to disagree. Anybody else agrees or disagrees?

Football is an sport under governing body of FIFA. What is FIFA? Fédération Internationale de Football Association, not soccer association! We have to call this sport football not soccer.--Sina 14:53, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

If you read the Football page, you see that what you really mean is called Assosiation football, which is reflected in the expansion of FIFA as you mentioned. You are simply wrong, in English, they call it soccer, and that's what matters. Behdad 11:15, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

All around the world except in the North America, everyone call this sport Football not Soccer, If you check European leagues, they have football league not soccer league.BTW, most of football fans call this sport neither soccer and Association football, everyone knows this sport as FOOTBALL --Sina 11:48, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Football is ambigious, soccer is not. BTW, in Wikipedia, American English is preferred.

I know the discussion is over, but just wanted to note that American English is not the preferred spelling/usuage in Wikipedia. The policy is as such. All articles written about "American" subjects should have American spelling/usuage while all articles about subjects purely British (or countries which use British spellings) should have Commonwealth usuage/spelling. Articles about neutral subjects (i.e. grape) could use either but should be consistent. -- Jeff3000 17:13, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

I propose we use both, with one in parentheses. (And it really doesnt matter which one).--Zereshk 22:06, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Ok, made them all "football (soccer)", like the article name is. And let all entries be linked. Behdad 4 July 2005 05:36 (UTC)

I agree with this!--Sina 4 July 2005 09:10 (UTC)

In actual fact the whole of wiki has this wrong. 'soccer' or 'association football' should be referred to as simply 'football'. The 'football' they play in the US should be referred to as 'American football'. Since 'soccer' came first it should be preference in this matter. 'football' it not ambiguous - it refers to the game known by Americans as 'soccer' - it's not the fault of the rest of the world that Americans are too ignorant to know any better.

Americans do know that the rest of the world calls it football, but Wikipedia is an American website. If you don't like an American website using American English then maybe you can go start your own widely popular encyclopedia site that uses the language you prefer. Until then you are just going to have to deal with American products reflecting an American outlook. It's not American's fault that the rest of the world is unproductive and the people (like you) choose to visit American websites.

Anti-American bigots -- calling Americans ignorant -- and yet revolving their life around American innovation... quite the irony. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheyCallMeTheEditor (talk • contribs) 05:01, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Fred Ameri

   Sixty-four-year-old Fred Ameri has been working for the same architectural firm since he was in college. If they fired him, he says, he wouldn’t know how to fill out a job application – but since he’s one of RBF Consulting’s senior vice presidents, there’s little chance he will have to. He’s been married to his wife for 32 years. He sits on the California Regional Water Quality Control Board and is chairman of the board for the World Affairs Council of Orange County.

nativeborn Iranian’s Ameri came to America in 1959 at the age of 18, to study medicine at Berkeley. He turned to engineering and went on to earn a masters degree in civil engineering. He quickly got a job at RBF, which was operating out of the owner’s modest home in Costa Mesa. He started a consulting firm, which became the second largest consulting firm in the country. It was the mid-70s and America was in a recession; Ameri’s firm set up a satellite branch in New York, filling it with 50 architects simply by putting a few ads in the New York Times.

While the Europeans handle much of the negotiations, and the U.S. works with the U.N. to press for meaningful sanctions, Ameri believes the U.S. should use the greatest asset we have – the wealth of intelligence and information held by educated Iranian immigrants like himself. Until then, Ameri will keep working to enlighten anyone who cares to listen. And you can be sure of one thing – he won’t quit anytime soon. 
   The World Affairs Council has monthly luncheons at which some of the world’s most interesting people have spoken, from Mikhail Gorbachev and Frank Carlucci to activist celebrity Mike Farrell of M.A.S.H. fame. For information on the council or the luncheons – which are open to non-members – call (949) 253-5751.

Parsis=Persians or Iranians?

-Should Parsis be listed on here with Iranians? I dont think so. Ethnically and genetically they're Persian but Iran is a nation and Iranian is a nationality. Parsis, in this respect, are INDIAN not Iranian. They can be in the category Persian people but not Iranians. Do we put Tajiks on this list or Afghan Dari-speakers, even though both of these are Persians, no. This is a list for people who are Iranian or of Iranian national origin. Including Persians and non-Persians, as long as they lived in the country or region of Iran. Historical Persians outside of the plateau like Tajiks or Parsis should not be on here.

Iranian Zoroastrians could be listed here. But not Parsis. They have been in India for over 1,000 years. Even, DNA tests have revealed a heavy local admixture among Parsis -Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 13:11, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Parsis have their own list, List of Parsis. It makes more sense to add them to the other list. Jooojay (talk) 04:27, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

What Criteria ?

Can anyone confirm what the criteria is for inclusion on this list and other similar lists ? Should it include people of other nationalities because one of their parents were born in Iran, even if the notable person was not born in Iran and does not hold Iranian nationality ?Scarlet7 09:21, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Good point. It is debatable. The govt of Iran considers people born outside Iran to a parent of former Iranian nationality, still to be Iranian. That is why if they travel to Iran, they can even be drafted into the army if above 18 whether or not they claim to hold Iranian nationality.--Zereshk 12:39, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

List of Iranian women

You folks might wish to comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Iranian women (2nd nomination). Kappa 13:53, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

taies farzan+narges rashidi

these two actresses are Iranians, established with acting films of most credible recognitions and internationally. i wonder why such names are not clickable with articles in wikipedia?! both names are still listed in black?!213.196.208.87 (talk) 13:18, 24 September 2008 (UTC) thank you.

re-name

Surely the name of this is incorrect and should read something like 'List of notable Iranians' ? Simply 'list of Iranians' means we should have a list of every Iranian who ever lived?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.150.5.216 (talk) 10:43, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Farhikht, 18 August 2010

{{editprotected}} Please rv the article to the right version. An IP added a possibly hoax into the list,a Google news shows 0 hit. And add Omid Djalili to the list, according to these 2 refs that you can find here. Thanks.Farhikht (talk) 11:44, 18 August 2010 (UTC) Farhikht (talk) 11:44, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

 Not done See m:The Wrong Version. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:26, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Omid Djalili

Every article you read about this person will confirm that he is British born, but of Iranian descent. He is not Iranian; he is British. It's like many people in the UK who are categorically 'British' but call themselves 'Asian' 'Indian' 'Pakistani' because of their roots. This does not make them from that country, rather just a declaration of their family history. The sources you have provided yourself do not confirm anything other than this. 78.150.23.206 (talk) 14:54, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi. According to this source, Djalili is "a British born Iranian actor" and in the title of this one Djalili is "UK's Iranian comic", and he says: "I am Iranian, I love uranium." Then, what's the problem?Farhikht (talk) 15:02, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I know what the articles say, but you misinterpret them. As I said above, reference to 'Iranian' in the first source is a reference to his roots - his nationality being 'British' - i.e. British born. The same goes for the second source; he is referred to as being Iranian - even by himself - because of his roots. You point out yourself that it says 'The UK's…' making him British. None of these quotes demonstrate that he is Iranian by nationality; you have interpreted them incorrectly. In fact, I would suggest that these sources, on the contrary, demonstrate that he is British. Please remove or take to arbitration. 78.150.23.206 (talk) 14:31, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Response to third opinion request:

I can find no evidence that Djalili is Iranian in the sense indicated in the article ("people from the Islamic Republic of Iran or its historical predecessors"), rather than being of Iranian ancestry. If there is evidence that he holds formal dual nationality, there might be a case to be made, but none of the sources presented here or in the article indicate that he does. This is different from, for example, Shappi Khorsandi, who clearly is Iranian, having been born there. Thus, I do not support his presence on this page.—Anaxial (talk) 14:52, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I accept it. Cheers.Farhikht (talk) 15:14, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Alphabetised lists

I see that some lists are alphabetised by first name, and some by last name. I have only seen lists on Wikipedia alphabetised by last name. I suggest we do this here.
--Brenont (talk) 02:42, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Red links

Per WP:REDBIO, WP:RED no red links in the notable people list please. Each person must have a Wikipedia article first. Jooojay (talk) 04:07, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Kami hejazi biography

Kami Hejazi was born in 1994

Hes real name is Kamran Hejazi

Born in Iran and originally from Afghanistan

In 2014, he released he first music video called Yar Shirin

is also a songwriter

Se is a guitarist who is very interested in guitar

Hes favorite singer is Shadmehr Aghili Sara afghani (talk) 08:18, 17 July 2022 (UTC)