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Household Division

The inclusion of Canadian regiments in this article is perhaps debatable. Although Foot Guard and Horse Guard regiments do exist in Canada the term "Household Division" was never used in the Canadian Forces Order of Battle now or then. Therefore, a Household Division cannot be said to have existed in that country and neither do Guards regiments of Canada constitute part of the British Army's Household Division. The only thing that came close to it was Canadian Guards in the 60s but even so it was approximately the size of a brigade with all its regular and militia battalions and again, the Household Division term was never used by that regiment.

* Although the three Canadian Guards regiments (Horse Guards, Foot Guards, Grenadiers) are not officially placed in a single division in the order of battle, they are informally considered the country's Household Division. The heads of these three regiments, for example, are all automatically ADCs to the Governor General.

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Questioning a statement in the History

"In medieval Western Europe, the most able warriors were pressed into service as the personal bodyguards to the monarch and other members of the royal or imperial household;" - is this really a specifically "Western European" feature? And is it accurate to describe them as "pressed" (i.e. conscripted) rather than recruited? Iapetus (talk) 13:24, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Australia sub-section?

Given Australia doesn't have a Household Division, as stated in the text, shouldn't this sub-section be removed as being irrelevant? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.69.217.119 (talk) 09:19, 3 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Looking into it, I haven't found any use of the term "Household Division" for any of the non-British entries in this article. In saying that, the article is seemingly conflating the term as something that is widely used and synonymous with royal guard or a protective service unit.

In light of that, I've restructured the article to be primarily on the British Household Division, and have moved all other entries into another section for Commonwealth units that perform a similar function to the British Household Division. I've also rephrased the sentencing that seemingly implies local use of the term outside the UK. As for the content itself, I'm not opposed to its removal (as the term Household Division is seemingly limited to only the British Army, and most of the existing non-British content can be moved to royal guard or guard mounting)... but I'm not exactly WP:BOLD enough to remove it entirely and have opted to just refocus the sectioning to emphasize its primary use (I'll leave the larger removal to someone else if they wish to go that route). Leventio (talk) 09:29, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]