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Opening section messy.

The lede section of this article has several grammatical errors and is very poorly organized. I plan to fix this up soon.--WickerGuy (talk) 02:20, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Questions from TheEngineofProvidence

TheEngineofProvidence has added several edit suggestions / questions, each with a separate section head. To consolidate the discussion, I've gather all of the questions into a single heading.

How is Jesus and the other 12 tribes views anti Semitic?

But an Modern European, Asian view makes a genuinely Semitic view anti Semitic? Racially Jews aren't Semitic, some are Arabs ect who convert most are not the Bible is almost 100 percent Semitic views how can it be anti-semitic? TheEngineofProvidence (talk) 11:26, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What is Semitic or Jewish about murder and slavery?

These are not Jewish views or practices so how can it be anti-semitic? TheEngineofProvidence (talk) 11:27, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can we add in some facts like the Magna Carta

First off in the Magna Carta we find out the Jews in England were taking advantage of English Farmer who couldn't read or write using compound interest to enslave generations of farmers. For a seasonal loan farmers found themselves bound legally to repay debts that enslaved unborn children grandchildren into debt. Also the other tribes of Israel tell us in the Bible these Judea or temple Jews are not of the 12 tribes came out of nowhere and where a law unto themselves these are Semitic views. However Jesus agreed that the temple was the holy place of worship not the mountain the others worship however sides with the others tribes on money lending and animals being sold in cages. Another thing is the Old Testament Moses himself becomes fed up with his and dies when he strikes the stone instead of speaking to it, however there is nothing Jewish about murder or slavery or many things people argue. TheEngineofProvidence (talk) 11:37, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also New Testament which version KJV or Holy Bible or what?

Lots of differences and different views and I don't know of many Protestant Holocausts. TheEngineofProvidence (talk) 11:43, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can we compare Protestant vs Catholic?

Jews in England experienced better lives than British citizens most of their history as property of the Crown. TheEngineofProvidence (talk) 11:46, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As the only legal money lenders the funded both sides of most wars.

In the Napoleonic wars the Jews lent vast amounts to both sides and took advantage of their international networks crashing the stock market in particular silver the UK's greatest resource at the time which can be traced through Jewish British Citizens investing in over centuries as well as British mines directly or indirectly it was actively involved in the silver market. TheEngineofProvidence (talk) 11:50, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Response

@TheEngineofProvidence: As I have elsewhere, I will note that your questions are hard to decipher because your command of English appears limited and your thoughts do not appear organized. For example, in the same paragraph, you've added thoughts about Jews in England as mentioned in the Magna Carta and "temple Jews are not of the 12 tribes". I have no idea how these thoughts are related, or what, if anything, they have to do with the topic of this article ("antisemitism and the New Testament"). Also, under the heading of "Protestant vs Catholic", you've brought up the point that "Jews in England experienced better lives than British citizens most of their history as property of the Crown." (This does not appear to have anything to do with Protestantism or Catholicism.) I recommend you take some time to sort out your thoughts, and try to address only a single issue at a time. There's no deadline to getting Wikipedia correct. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:56, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lead section problematic

Hey guys

This part of the lead seems to be rather out of place and problematic:

"James Dunn has said that the New Testament contributed toward subsequent antisemitism in the Christian community. According to Louis Feldman, the term "antisemitism" is an "absurdity which the Jews took over from the Germans." He thinks the proper term is anti-Judaism. The distinction between anti-Judaism and antisemitism is often made, or challenged, with regard to early Christian hostility to Jews: some, notably Gavin I. Langmuir, prefer anti-Judaism, which implies a theological enmity. They say that the concept of antisemitism "makes little sense" in the nascent days of the Christian religion and that it would not emerge until later. In this context, the term antisemitism implies the secular biological race theories of modern times. Peter Schäfer prefers the word Judaeophobia for pagan hostility to Jews, but considers the word antisemitism, even if anachronistic, synonymous with this term,"

What say you? Homerethegreat (talk) 09:21, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]