Talk:Shenyang J-6

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Someone know if this aircraft was fitted with AA-2/PL-2s? I know only that it was fitted in Pak service with AIM-9B/J perhaps P Sidewinders, but not sure if AAMs were fitted as standard in China service.--Stefanomencarelli 00:28, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Albanian models were fitted with PL-2s, as example, but is this a standard for the Chinese too?--Stefanomencarelli 18:58, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can anyone find a second source for the claim that the J-6 is "disposable" I find it incredibly dubious that anyone would spend a few hundred thousand dollars on something meant to fly for only 100 hours. LouieS (talk) 17:51, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No source, but it is true that it was considered disposable by the Soviets. It could fly for more than 100 hours, it was in service with China and Pakistan for over 30 years. But the airframe had to be overhauled every 100-130 flying hours.Hj108 (talk) 15:30, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have different figures. Maybe J-6 was 'disposable'. But one articles in 'Aerei magazine', fall 2000, about the Pakistani F-6s, claimed exactly that: 253 aircrafts flew until then over 400,000 hs. This means over 1,500 hrs for every airframe. Hoverhauled or not, this meant a lot of air activity. If not, nobody could hold in service an aircraft for 35 years with 100 hrs available.. Yeager was wrong about scrapped, without any doubt, even if the aircraft is 'short life'. After all, many western aircrafts weren't much better: LW F-104Gs flew an average of 2,000 hrs in over 20 years of service, as example. So, absolutely the affermation of 'scrapping' must be replaced with 'hoverhauled'.--Stefanomencarelli (talk) 09:46, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Iraq

Iraq never operated the J6. They had 18 MiG19s which they flew for just 5 years before retiring already in the mid 1960s. They never bought J6 from China, only chinese aircraft Iraq ever bought was the F7B which also never flew in combat since it was deemed inferior even to the MiG21MF and the 30 planes were used solely as advanced trainers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.17.235 (talk) 18:33, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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This article needs considerable expansion. It needs some discussion of the considerable difficulty which the Shenyang factory experienced when it attempted license production. M Van Houten 00:52, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Disposable

"The J-6 was considered "disposable" and was intended to be operated for only 100 flight hours (or approximately 100 sorties) before being overhauled. The Pakistan Air Force was often able to extend this to 130 hours with diligent maintenance."

That's not the aircraft, it's the engines. Standard Soviet practice, instead of investing a lot of effort and expense into high tech turbine materials, just accept a low TBO and set up an extensive logistic system to routinely rebuild engines. It worked perfectly well. It's simply a different approach to the problem than the West used. It doesn't imply the engine is disposable, and the aircraft itself is good for far longer than the life of the engines. You can't just "overhaul" an aircraft after it's design life is expired, you need to essentially rebuild it, and the fact that so many of them were still in service after decades makes it obvious that the airframe was not limited to only 100 hours of flight time. I doubt any of the users were having their fleets rebuilt every 100 hours for several decades. Idumea47b (talk) 14:02, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]